It does not work. I thought I got a decent Golden/GSD cross in my mate, you know, very sweet and giving with just enough protection to make one feel safe. He turned out to be more of a Chow. Very aloof, snappy within the pack but can be shown in public most of the time without a problem. Sometimes he turns on me in public and I am about to alpha roll him the next time he does so. (No, I will not be alpha rolling anyone else, thank you very much!) Like color enhancement, you just cannot be sure until you look at the pictures of the parents and grandparents to be sure of the quality being presented to you. By the time I saw his pedigree it was too late. But we have produced 2 serious potential winners. One is maturing nicely the other will be a very late bloomer, but still has lots of promise. Even in breeding, no matter how much you do research, you cannot be sure of what will come of the breeding. Sheila ELG440@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 11/20/2005 3:06:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: has any one ever had their handler spook in the ring by the judge??... I have always tried to hire a handler that is sound. Often they are aloof and not subject to a reasonable approach. I have had handlers stand there and ignore my approaches, and when I try to put my hand on them, they often ignore me. I have had a few of them turn on me, and I often have to disqualify them if they do so. The real problem is if you marry someone who is aloof. You need a better temperament test for dating, and maybe we need to work on that. Maybe we need a loose lead date program. If you approach a potential mate and she/he is too aggressive or too shy, that person needs to be disqualified. It would eliminate a lot of my family law business, but sounds like a good idea. I am not sure aloof is the right thing, however. Many of my dates were too aloof. That is why Tedi and I have lasted 40 years, and looking towards the next 40. She never minded that I am this aloof and have always stood for examination. (Shut up Paul-The-Board Member). Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ Sheila of Miami Mernydex GSD's Loving Obedience Dog Training --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================