I must jump in here also Kathy....I have been a member of the parent club since 1976 and of my regional club for the same length of time and not just a member but an active one in being on the regional board and supporting both the regional club and the parent club with trophy donations and assisting in multiple ways with our local shows from ring stewarding to ticketing, to set up to take down and everything in between; and a huge supporter of the GSD rescue efforts of many of our co-members...now that I have established my credentials ... I am not in favor of having a separate class for long coats...not because I have a problem with them...my bitch line for the last seven generation carries the long coat gene; I have had some wonderful long coat puppies occasionally throughout the years...I have been an active exhibitor as well...have not been showing in the last two years because everything I have is a finished champion...but I do have a young one now coming up and I will be out there again soooon.... That said, the reason I am not in favor of having a separate class for the long coat is because it does not address the real problem...only the symptom....the problem is NOT that the long coat needs a separate class to be appreciated for its other fine qualities...the problem is the judges who either do not know OR are too insecure in their own judging to put up a long coat if all else is good over a dog who is out there either lifting in front and/or dragging their toes and/or is like a frigging mix master coming and going...simply because a judge is not displaying knowledge or confidence in their own judging is not a reason to have a separate class so that despite having the long coat fault the dog can be appreciated for all its other good qualities (if indeed it does have all those other good qualities)....so the problem of the judging needs to be addressed...creating a class to show case a fault is not the answer in my humble opinion. I have heard the comments that it will bring in money and new people....I cannot believe that is a serious comment....surely you jest, just how much money do those people think is out there just waiting to be spent on showing a long coated dog...that is not a very well thought out reason in MHO...there are other ways of bringing people into the breed ring without creating a class to showcase a fault...I mean think about it...the parent club of a breed wanting to emphasize a fault in our breed by showcasing it....as someone else said; why not showcase the dogs with the serious faults in gait...we would all, not just the judges, learn something from that...as there are a lot of people, novice and not, take a look at SOME of the gaiting shots in our Review...who do not recognize these types of faults...and it also appears that a number of our judges do not recognize these serious faults either based on what some of them put up...so it would be educating the judges as well...now there is a class I would like to see; as an educational effort not a money maker because, alas, there would probably be very few entries in it...like none! I am in favor of the dunk tank as a means of making money...that would be a guaranteed money maker ....GRIN...please all you judges do not jump on me, I am having fun on that one.... Pauline Moon - _www.ropajagsd.com_ (http://www.ropajagsd.com/) Ropaja German Shepherds:Member-GSDCAmercia & GSDCAtlanta - Best In Show AKC JAM/AOE/ BISS CH Ropaja's Chateau Beaujolais OFA HIC; BISS AKC CH Ropaja's Chateau Beaulieu OFA HIC; Multi BOB & GRP W AKC CH. Ropaja's Je Suis Fleur De Lis; Multi-BOB & GRP W AKC CH Ropaja's Je Suis Gabrielle. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================