[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Labs and GSDs
- From: Terry Cochran <terrycochran97756@xxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 19:24:10 -0700 (PDT)
OK Where are you going to find them?
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From: Nancy Harper Mulvaney <nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Labs and GSDs
I also agree
Nancy Harper
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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Labs and GSDs
I agree with Bill 100%, and think if we are to attract more newcomers to
conformation, this would go a long way to help.
Cyndi Flautt
carettigsd.com
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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Labs and GSDs
As noted below in Sheree's post that our breed popularity has gone up
however our conformation entries are going down is a fact we must face and
try to understand and presents itself an opportunity that we should see how
we can exploit for the good. I'm sure to explain this there are a number of
facets, however i do agree that one facet that is important is if the
procedure used by most judges in our speciality ring was an emphasis on
Type, Tempermant and VERY IMPORTANTLY movement on a slow to moderate speed
it would be more conducive to owner handling(i mean good owner handling)
than what we have been used to for many many years of our dogs pulling out
at the end of the lead. Now ofcourse what comes with that are shows that
are perhaps less "exciting" in the short run as we adjust, but i think over
time we will actually find dogs that are exciting at slow speed where both
the front and rear open completely and the back is firm and handling dogs at
a slow speed who still "perform" will be art into itself. Because at the end
the German Shepherd was intended to do it's work at a "trot" and it is the
efficiency and effectiveness of the "trot" we are supposed to be evaluating
in it's "gait".
As a side benefit, It will also keep "old handlers" like me employed for
longer<G>.
Bill
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From: Sheree Moses <shereemosesgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 8:49 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Labs and GSDs
I started showing some Labs a few years ago for my veterinarian, who is a
very well known field/performance Labrador person, and a hunt test judge.
She and her partner have had many famous field dogs over the last few
decades and also show in conformation. Next thing I knew I owned several,
and had bred a few; in fact, I was probably going to more shows for the Labs
than for the shepherds.A young bitch we bought ended up (during her second
year of showing, not one ad and I only went to about 40% of the available
shows....she won at both specialty and all breeds) #1 female and #4 all
breeds. I was an unknown in the Labrador world, but she was a very nice
bitch, somewhat more moderate, a good mover and able to show in both
arenas. A few of the Labrador people were very nice, told me I was doing a
good job, and I should keep showing dogs:) In general I have found the
Labrador community to be very supportive and inclusive; absolutely ready to
help a
newcomer. There is a def
inite difference between some of the dogs shown at specialties and some of
the dogs shown at all breeds, just as in our breed, but many of them are
moderate, and are capable of winning in both venues (I have this silly idea
that our shepherds should, too). I did find that it was a little more
difficult to win at specialties than at all breeds, but certainly not
impossible. I think a lot of the reason that there are so many more
successful owner handlers in Labradors is that the speed is more moderate
and much less emphasis is placed on "performance" and more on the hallmarks
of the breed, "head, coat, tail," and on balanced motion. Perhaps an
owner-handled exhibit won't win quite as often as the professional handlers'
dogs, but it is definitely possible, and keeps the owners coming back.
Frequently the bred-by exhibitor class is the most competitive.Also, while
it would be very difficult to be competitive at a conformation show with a
true
"field" Labrador, most of th
e dogs I have shown have gone on to achieve hunt titles, and two of the dogs
I finished have gotten their Master Hunter titles. I believe there have
been fewer than 60 conformation champions who have achieved this, but it is
possible, and they are very "livable" dogs who function well in a family
environment.Labrador entries have fallen a little, just as entries have
dropped overall, but nothing like what has happened in our breed. Fifteen
years ago, our point schedules were similar; now ours is less than half what
it takes in Labs. Our individual breed popularity has gone up, but
apparently no one wants to show conformation dogs. I am sure there are many
reasons for this, I happen to think a lot has to do with the way we evaluate
our dogs in the ring. I think if we concentrate more on sound temperament
and structure, less on performance, and start judging at a reasonable speed
we will find more owners and novices back in the ring.Just a few
thoughts, I'm sure there are
a lot of other reasons, but that's how it seems to me. Sheree
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