[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Labs and GSDs
- From: Hickoryhill <hickoryhillgsd1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "shereemosesgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx" <shereemosesgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:41:14 -0700 (PDT)
Years ago, when the dog de jour became the freakish over-angulated, overly
short coupled dog, the breed became the laughing stock of the dog
world. The public, who had always adored the GSD, sought dogs for their
families from working lines, the all-breed judges would not put them up
the veterinary community equated the over-angulation for HD and the GSD became
the poster child for Dysplasia, even though Labs, Goldens and most of the giant
breeds had higher incidences. Now, 4 decades later, the breeders of American
conformation GSD are STILL trying to do
damage control, unfortunately, it is too little too late. Because of our
arrogance, we believed that the public, the all-breed judges, the veterinary
community, the performace people..basically everyone who didn't agree with this
style of dog were "not educated about the standard" Our attitude
then and even now is much like the tale of the Emperor and his Clothes, but at
least at some point, he finally listened. Christine
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On Mon, 3/31/14, Bill Basu <billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Labs and GSDs
To: "shereemosesgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx" <shereemosesgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 11:04 AM
As noted below in Sheree's post that
our breed popularity has gone up however our conformation
entries are going down is a fact we must face and try to
understand and presents itself an opportunity that we should
see how we can exploit for the good. I'm sure to explain
this there are a number of facets, however i do agree that
one facet that is important is if the procedure used by
most judges in our speciality ring was an emphasis on Type,
Tempermant and VERY IMPORTANTLY movement on a slow to
moderate speed it would be more conducive to owner
handling(i mean good owner handling) than what we have been
used to for many many years of our dogs pulling out at the
end of the lead. Now ofcourse what comes with that are
shows that are perhaps less "exciting" in the short run as
we adjust, but i think over time we will actually find
dogs that are exciting at slow speed where both the front
and rear open completely and the back is firm and handling
dogs at
a slow speed who still "perform" will be art into itself.
Because at the end the German Shepherd was intended to
do it's work at a "trot" and it is the efficiency and
effectiveness of the "trot" we are supposed to be evaluating
in it's "gait".
As a side benefit, It will also keep "old handlers" like me
employed for longer<G>.
Bill
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From: Sheree Moses <shereemosesgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
<showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 8:49 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Labs and GSDs
I started showing some Labs a few years ago for my
veterinarian, who is a very well known field/performance
Labrador person, and a hunt test judge. She and her partner
have had many famous field dogs over the last few decades
and also show in conformation. Next thing I knew I owned
several, and had bred a few; in fact, I was probably going
to more shows for the Labs than for the shepherds.A young
bitch we bought ended up (during her second year of showing,
not one ad and I only went to about 40% of the available
shows....she won at both specialty and all breeds) #1 female
and #4 all breeds. I was an unknown in the Labrador world,
but she was a very nice bitch, somewhat more moderate, a
good mover and able to show in both arenas. A few of the
Labrador people were very nice, told me I was doing a good
job, and I should keep showing dogs:) In general I have
found the Labrador community to be very supportive and
inclusive; absolutely ready to help a
newcomer. There is a def
inite difference between some of the dogs shown at
specialties and some of the dogs shown at all breeds, just
as in our breed, but many of them are moderate, and are
capable of winning in both venues (I have this silly idea
that our shepherds should, too). I did find that it was a
little more difficult to win at specialties than at all
breeds, but certainly not impossible. I think a lot of the
reason that there are so many more successful owner handlers
in Labradors is that the speed is more moderate and much
less emphasis is placed on "performance" and more on the
hallmarks of the breed, "head, coat, tail," and on balanced
motion. Perhaps an owner-handled exhibit won't win
quite as often as the professional handlers' dogs, but it is
definitely possible, and keeps the owners coming back.
Frequently the bred-by exhibitor class is the most
competitive.Also, while it would be very difficult to be
competitive at a conformation show with a true
"field" Labrador, most of th
e dogs I have shown have gone on to achieve hunt titles, and
two of the dogs I finished have gotten their Master Hunter
titles. I believe there have been fewer than 60
conformation champions who have achieved this, but it is
possible, and they are very "livable" dogs who function well
in a family environment.Labrador entries have fallen a
little, just as entries have dropped overall, but nothing
like what has happened in our breed. Fifteen years ago,
our point schedules were similar; now ours is less than half
what it takes in Labs. Our individual breed popularity has
gone up, but apparently no one wants to show conformation
dogs. I am sure there are many reasons for this, I happen
to think a lot has to do with the way we evaluate our dogs
in the ring. I think if we concentrate more on sound
temperament and structure, less on performance, and start
judging at a reasonable speed we will find more owners and
novices back in the ring.Just a few
thoughts, I'm sure there are
a lot of other reasons, but that's how it seems to me.
Sheree
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