Typically you don't rattle my cage, as I find most of what you post rather whimsical, and fairly disingenuous, but I think the below is rather condescending. So, this is for all those thinking what I am about to say" Are you for real??????" And you formulated your opinion how..by looking at 7 class dogs this past weekend? have you ever put a wicket to any of the dogs you have bred to??? Seriously??? Temperament..seriously..do you really want to go there??? When I read the below, the first thing that came to mind was "do as I say, not as I do." This may not be what you intended, but is what I perceive. Christine -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3/31/14, ELG440@xxxxxxx <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote: Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Labs and GSDs To: rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx, hickoryhillgsd1@xxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: shereemosesgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 12:45 PM In a message dated 3/31/2014 10:08:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx writes: We need to stop complaining that our breed is so handler based, and start doing something about it, beginning with ring control Slow them down, so more people can show the dogs. I just showed under four judges last weekend, Dick Jones, Sheree Moses, Bob Kish and Cindy Flaut. They all demanded slow on a loose lead. I watched great secondary sex characteristics good movement, and great temperament. No one should be showing dogs that don't have good temperament, unless they have extra money to burn. They were all shown slow, on a loose lead and very few were not worthy of points. I think perhaps there are shows with racing dogs, bitchey heads on the males, and perhaps doggy bitches. Not that I have seen lately. I might want to complain about the size of our dogs, but that is another story. They are big, and the size of the Select males this year pointed that out. But, I haven't been seeing dogs race around the ring in years. I have told some who show under me when I judge that after they show me slow on a loose lead, they can do what they want. I make it clear that I am not going to judge them that way. I know that all four of the judges this weekend had some of the entries take another pass to get a slow trot. I guess I see it differently from others who complain about the ring. I went to two shows in Freemont a month ago, and saw the same thing. I was in San Diego last weekend, and saw slow, with a loose lead. Perhaps I am reporting from what I am seeing, and not what I am reading. That does not make me right, nor does it make me wrong. I can only repeat what I see. Evan ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================