They were not saying sweeping under the rug they were just saying because no toxin screen was done that we should not jump the gun and wait for Ann to confirm. She has not be on the list to tell the complete story and I think before fingers are pointed we should wait to hear the TRUTH from Ann. To jump to conclusion is not the way to go until everything has been looked at. That's all Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: grnram415@xxxxxxx Sender: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:35:01 To: <myjoygs@xxxxxxx>; <lindabankhead@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <InquestGSD@xxxxxxx> Reply-To: grnram415@xxxxxxx Cc: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Kobe's National Dogs being slipped drugs by a competitor in the dog show world is not new. But, it is sad that someone has to resort to that. Makes you wonder what they do to their own dogs. I saw it happen a few times, back in the 80's, when I was involved with Labs. Speed (amphetemine) Easy to drop into water or in a treat. Show dogs love bait and expect everyone to have treats. They don't think twice about accepting treats from people. The dog would get hyper and unable to focus. One of the dogs in question, was the sire of my girls. He was a sound as they come and had numerous performance titles. At the Nationals in Indiana, in 1981, he lost it. He not only bombed in conformation, he failed his field trial. I don't know Kobe but I knew this dog very well. He was an awesome dog. I was a Reserve Sheriff's Deputy at the time and asked that the dog be tested for drugs. He was and they found Speed in his system. Back then, there was no investigation by police or anything. The vet lab conducted the test and it was positive but nobody cared. This is not a new thing and unfortunately, some people will do whatever it takes to eliminate the competition. To try to pawn it off on something the dog may have picked up is almost riduculous. Loose stools ot lethargy is one thing, personality behaviors is suspect. NO, it's not time to move on from this issue. Sweeping it under the carpet only gives newbies and folks like me a very good reason never to show or attend a National again. Laura Thomas -----Original Message----- From: myjoygs@xxxxxxx <myjoygs@xxxxxxx> To: lindabankhead@xxxxxxxxxxx; InquestGSD@xxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, Oct 19, 2010 9:34 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Kobe's National I agree with what you said Linda totally, people are quick to jump to onclusions, I just can't imagine that someone in the dog world would do such a hing, call me naive but to intentionally harm a dog I just can't imagine anyone here would do something like that. I think it was something else that nfortunately happened. Like you said Linda a reaction to something ??? omething he ingested before the show?? you just never know. Joyce ----Original Message----- rom: Linda Bankhead <lindabankhead@xxxxxxxxxxx> o: InquestGSD@xxxxxxx c: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ent: Tue, Oct 19, 2010 11:51 am ubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Kobe's National certainly would hate to think that anyone is evil enough to poison a dog. Here is a true story: I was showing a very sound bitch who had done some nice winning as a puppy and the 12-18. She loved showing. Her temperament was stellar. At a large outdoor specialty (baseball field) she was awarded WB and finished. en I took her back in for Breed she started to act very strange. Wild eyed, nting, anxious. Temperature was high. Gums warm. Her owner and I both thought e sting, allergic reaction, drugs or poison. The judge was kind enough to let stay under the tent with her. Rushed her to the vet- She came around to rmal after many hours and her temperature dropped back down. About a month later, the owner brought her to a horse park to do some photos th other dog friends. Just a casual get together. Suddenly, she again had the me signs/symptoms. Rushed to a vet again. No conclusion could be made. The only thing the vets could figure was perhaps rtilizer on the ground or some reaction from something on the grass. She only d this reaction these two times. I share this to maybe shed light on possibilities. Perhaps the sod was sprayed e night before and Kobe had an allergic reaction. Was he showing signs prior judging? If someone gave him something while in the van the night before; rely this would have shown up prior to his entering the ring/judging Saturday ternoon. Again, I sure hope no one is low enough to poison or drug a dog. In the same nue, we cant jump to conclusions and perhaps my experience will shed light. ---- Original Message ----- om: InquestGSD@xxxxxxx : showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx nt: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:11:19 AM bject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Kobe's National leana: are you saying he wasn't poisoned? ************************************************************************** ******* , on the contrary, I know first hand Kobe was very ill as I was right xt to him and Ann and he wasn't acting right. This was later on Saturday ening. And it appears, according to the vets, that he was poisoned. wasn't worry about the temp, normal temp on a dog is 102.5, and as he was yperventilating, he could've gotten an elevated temp that way. phetamines, caffeine, and other substances could also raise the temp. Those uld identified with a tox panel, hopefully the vets saved enough blood to reen for those. I told Ann that I was surprised, actually shocked, that e vets didn't keep Kobe and put him on an IV to flush his system. That's y I gave Ann a bottle of Pedialyte, I felt very strong that he needed to be drated, and told Ann so. By this time one of our dogs was sick with very se stools. at I am saying is it may not have been a malicious, intentional thing. me of us picked up pills, they appeared to be vitamins capsules, right ere on ringside, mixed on the hay, while standing around waiting with dogs go in the ring. I about freaked out and spent a good amount of time fting thru the shavings making sure it was clean. This was on Saturday. is wasn't a sterile environment, it never is when it comes to horse alls, but these stalls were particularly dirty. That was one of the 2 ggestions I had for improvement. l I am saying is everyone STOP with the finger pointing nowhere, until n and Kathy confirm with the vets that we have a psycho amongst us. This uld've really been an accident. God, I hope so, I hate to think we are rrounded by people who will stoop this low. think what Ann, Kathy and Kobe needs is good thoughts and positive ergy going their way, not more negativity. Ileana * quest GSD's, Home of : l Excellent AM CH & Sel CAN CH Karizma's Cacique of Inquest TC, aka XTER =========================================================================== ST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original thor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind e permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the owgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ach Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its ministrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any st. 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