This isn't just about handlers.......I know judges will deny that they have the chance to look outside of the ring, but I have felt that becuase I am not a known "face" as an owner, it has hurt me. Last year I was at a big Specialty and my bitch was one of 3 that the judge was moving each one taking a turn up front. He moved my bitch to the front when he was done...and of course I let out a loud whoop. The judge looked me square in the eye, moved them one more time (another beautiful pass for my girl), then moved both bitches up in front of mine. I feel that this is because he didn't have a clue who I was and the other doublers were "faces", and more than one person outside the ring told me it was because he didn't have the balls to do it (give me first in a big open class). I also hate it when first place pictures are taken before winners class for this same reason. I honestly think that it is just human nature to lean towards dogs of successful known breeders especially when the competition is close enough so that any dog could take it.....which is why it's so important that our judges are more Godlike then human. :o) Cindy ANN SCHULTZ <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Jim, I agree. A few years back when I was using Christina and most judges didn't know her, we went to a show and in the first class addressed all the handlers on a first name basis and ignored her. She went last with a better dog. I won't show to that judge today. Ann Home of Sel Ex # 6 Ch Maxwell, Sel Ex Ch Gilley and #1 Dam Muggles - owner/breeder of 68 champions and 19 ROMs --- On Mon, 9/22/08, James Barnhart wrote: From: James Barnhart Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Judging the Dog the Day of the Show To: "Kay Reamensnyder Betty Doerpinghaus" Cc: "gsd showlist" Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 4:16 PM On Sep 22, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Kay Reamensnyder wrote: > Jim, > > You can "howl at the moon" all you want...but, the truth of the > matter is > that at any given show, on any given day, a Judge's ability and > integrity will > be perceived in many different ways by the exhibitors,etc. Kay, That variety of perception is part of the human condition no doubt. I believe that inside that ring should be a minimum amount of decorum. A judge should not show familiarity with one exhibitor and not all. A judge must never leave a perception that all dogs weren't judged equally. Like that statement in the standard "hard to define but unmistakeable when present", we know who is a dignified, honorable person who takes judging as serious business and who does not. Most judges have this quality. It is a moral standard for all judges to live up to if I can help it. It does not involve bashing. This moral standard is protected by the clubs who choose the judges. Jim > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. 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