[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Hobby breeder guilty
- From: "Stormy V. Hope" <stormy435@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: stormygsd@xxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:12:59 -0800
As Sue is saying
there's nothing wrong with dogs being one's business. It's
the ARs that are trying to convince the world that, somehow, raising dogs as a
business is evil and just naturally abusive. So those who derive their income
from dogs then try to differentiate themselves by categorizing the 'level' of
their dog business. That's divisive and comes back to haunt all breeders as
the ARs label ALL breeders, hobby or not, as abusive.
That's biting off the nose to spite the face. (huh?)
Stormy
On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Sue M <stormygsd@xxxxxxx> wrote:
No one said that...i am discussing my perceptions of the differences between a
hobbyist and a commercial breeder..i am not trying to tell anyone anything..
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:51:33 -0800
From: terrycochran97756@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Hobby breeder guilty
To: stormygsd@xxxxxxx; rockannand@xxxxxxx
CC: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
What kind of a person would breed for quality and not expect to get paid for
it?? I am just curious
Ok How much does it take to raise a litter of 6 to 12 weeks. Let's say the
bitch had an implant and required a c section. Pups are healthy.
Anyone?
TC
From: Sue M <stormygsd@xxxxxxx>
To: rockannand@xxxxxxx
Cc: ShowGSD <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 9:46 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Hobby breeder guilty
With all due respect, Kate.. I think that "breeding to improve the breed" is
the biggest crock i ever heard, and yes, spouted myself back then.. If that
were true then why are the puppies
sold for thousands of dollars?? if the intent of the litter was to "improve the
breed" then by rights the best ones would be kept and the rest given (or at
least sold for what it cost to get that puppy to 8 weeks of age - which is not
$2000 no matter how you cut it) to those wonderful families.
But no one is debating the "rightness" or "wrongness" of commercial breeders...
the issue at hand is people breeding dogs for sale and saying they are only
hobbyists - but you can't have it both ways.. you can't earn money to pay the
bills and still say it's your hobby..
Again, these are only MY thoughts and opinions.. we are all entitled to them
and i am not trying to force anyone to agree, or to convince anyone to see it
my way - i am just engaging in a very lively discussion.. and loving it!!
I understand that "commercial" breeder is defined differently in every corner
of the earth.. and therein lies the problem..everyone is talking apples and
oranges depending on where you are having the discussion..
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 01:48:41 -0700
> From: rockannand@xxxxxxx
> To: stormygsd@xxxxxxx
> CC: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; inquestgsd@xxxxxxx; kgsawler@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Hobby breeder guilty
>
> I don't think it is so black and white. It would still be a hobby kennel if
> the breeder's intention was to try to produce the best dog. Selling off the
> littermates and putting those profits back into the dogs, to me, doesn't
> constitute a
commercial breeder. A commercial breeder, at least in BC, must earn over
$25,000/annually, have a tax number and a kennel license. I'm a retired
breeder also, and can say I sold a lot of puppies over the 30 years of breeding
and showing that I did. I never made any money doing it, loved the families
who purchased them, made a lot of friends who are still friends all these years
later, and just about tapped out our pay cheques each month trying to do it
right. I do not think 'commercial' is a bad word anyway. Money must be made
somehow to afford the hobby and this way of life. Whether I'm out there giving
obedience lessons to offset expenses, standing my dog at stud or whatever. It
was always for the dogs.
>
> Kate Syssoloff
> Rockannand
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sue M" <stormygsd@xxxxxxx>
> To: inquestgsd@xxxxxxx, kgsawler@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: "GSD-List" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:17:41 AM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Hobby breeder guilty
>
> I read the news article sent yesterday.
> I am not judging, i say this from experience.
> She has, reportedly, 17 German shepherds. If she ls a "hobby" breeder, what
> is she doing with 17 dogs?
>
> From where i sit a hobby breeder is one that has a few breeding/show quality
> pets that they show and breed along with the Dog's usual family pet
> activities...they are breeding for the joy of it (ummmmm puppy
breath). They sell those puppies with the idea to offset some of the costs of
having that litter. (registrations, vaccinations, vet costs etc)
>
> To me, anything else constitutes commercial. If litters are bred and sold to
> offset expenses related to maintaining the rest of the dogs - commercial, to
> offset travel and show expenses- commercial, to pay vet bills- commercial.
> in these examples the breeding/selling is a part time job... NOT a hobby.
>
> Back to my corner..
> Susan Madlung
> Shadowacre German Shepherds - retired
>
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