[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Hobby breeder guilty
- From: Kate Syssoloff <rockannand@xxxxxxx>
- To: Sue M <stormygsd@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:54:45 -0700 (MST)
Improve the breed? Never my goal. I agree with you Sue, 'breeding to improve
the breed' that is like saying you are going to go out and change the world!
HAHA My goal was to breed the BEST dog that I could. Hmm, let me understand
now.. when I worked full time with a salary and was selling puppies and
showing, it sounds like that was ok... not commercial. But, when I decided to
retire from business and enjoy my life playing with my dogs, selling puppies
and doing it full time, then that somehow made it not ok? City Hall has laid
it down very clearly what constitutes hobby breeder and commercial business.
We are lucky it is not as strict as what is happening here. But, what is
stipulated is the size of ones property and the number of dogs which lays out
what kind of facility one must have. Neither City Hall nor Government speak
the same language. One talks about size of property and number of dogs, the
other talks about profits after expenses. To the town, I am a hobby breeder.
To the government, I am a hobby breeder. Seems to me, that's both ways.
Kate Syssoloff
Rockannand
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sue M" <stormygsd@xxxxxxx>
To: rockannand@xxxxxxx
Cc: "ShowGSD" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 8:46:50 AM
Subject: RE: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Hobby breeder guilty
With all due respect, Kate.. I think that "breeding to improve the breed" is
the biggest crock i ever heard, and yes, spouted myself back then.. If that
were true then why are the puppies sold for thousands of dollars?? if the
intent of the litter was to "improve the breed" then by rights the best ones
would be kept and the rest given (or at least sold for what it cost to get that
puppy to 8 weeks of age - which is not $2000 no matter how you cut it) to those
wonderful families.
But no one is debating the "rightness" or "wrongness" of commercial breeders...
the issue at hand is people breeding dogs for sale and saying they are only
hobbyists - but you can't have it both ways.. you can't earn money to pay the
bills and still say it's your hobby..
Again, these are only MY thoughts and opinions.. we are all entitled to them
and i am not trying to force anyone to agree, or to convince anyone to see it
my way - i am just engaging in a very lively discussion.. and loving it!!
I understand that "commercial" breeder is defined differently in every corner
of the earth.. and therein lies the problem..everyone is talking apples and
oranges depending on where you are having the discussion..
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 01:48:41 -0700
> From: rockannand@xxxxxxx
> To: stormygsd@xxxxxxx
> CC: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; inquestgsd@xxxxxxx; kgsawler@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Hobby breeder guilty
>
> I don't think it is so black and white. It would still be a hobby kennel if
> the breeder's intention was to try to produce the best dog. Selling off the
> littermates and putting those profits back into the dogs, to me, doesn't
> constitute a commercial breeder. A commercial breeder, at least in BC, must
> earn over $25,000/annually, have a tax number and a kennel license. I'm a
> retired breeder also, and can say I sold a lot of puppies over the 30 years
> of breeding and showing that I did. I never made any money doing it, loved
> the families who purchased them, made a lot of friends who are still friends
> all these years later, and just about tapped out our pay cheques each month
> trying to do it right. I do not think 'commercial' is a bad word anyway.
> Money must be made somehow to afford the hobby and this way of life. Whether
> I'm out there giving obedience lessons to offset expenses, standing my dog at
> stud or whatever. It was always for the dogs.
>
> Kate Syssoloff
> Rockannand
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sue M" <stormygsd@xxxxxxx>
> To: inquestgsd@xxxxxxx, kgsawler@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: "GSD-List" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:17:41 AM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Hobby breeder guilty
>
> I read the news article sent yesterday.
> I am not judging, i say this from experience.
> She has, reportedly, 17 German shepherds. If she ls a "hobby" breeder, what
> is she doing with 17 dogs?
>
> From where i sit a hobby breeder is one that has a few breeding/show quality
> pets that they show and breed along with the Dog's usual family pet
> activities...they are breeding for the joy of it (ummmmm puppy breath). They
> sell those puppies with the idea to offset some of the costs of having that
> litter. (registrations, vaccinations, vet costs etc)
>
> To me, anything else constitutes commercial. If litters are bred and sold to
> offset expenses related to maintaining the rest of the dogs - commercial, to
> offset travel and show expenses- commercial, to pay vet bills- commercial.
> in these examples the breeding/selling is a part time job... NOT a hobby.
>
> Back to my corner..
> Susan Madlung
> Shadowacre German Shepherds - retired
>
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