In a message dated 3/23/2006 7:39:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sheilaofmiami@xxxxxxxxx writes: but I would like a discount for doing the handler's work for them. Sheila Technically the handler is hired to take your dog in the ring to the best of his/her ability, not groom, train or otherwise. There are some handlers that groom or have conditioners that groom for them, and some that don't. Many owners would rather do it themselves and that is fine too. But to want a discount on handling fees for a handler that doesn't groom, seems to be a bit odd....mainly because this would be an issue that you would want to be clear of in advance of hiring a handler. Handlers some times get dogs that have been "groomed " by owners, that are dirty , matted , smelly...and have to somehow fix it, or worse step into the ring like that with the dog. An insult to the judge and embarrassing for the handler. I know we have had it happen to us. The dog in question smelled so bad, and was damp to boot, that you could smell him ten feet away. The judge wiped her hands off after examination. It was very embarrassing . I felt bad for Ken. But this owner insisted on "grooming" his/her own dogs....really bad. Kathy WEBSITE UPDATED: MAR 19, 2006~ SEL 2 ANNIE X NITRO PUPS! _http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com_ (http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com/) VICTORY GSDs, There Is Something In A Name ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================