Interesting posts. I charge a flat fee for the class -( includes grooming the dog) if we go back in for Winners or even win - you will not pay one penny more. If we go Breed from the classes will we all be grinning - again - no charge. I do charge for PLACING ( not just appearing or making the cut) in the Group. Most well known GSD handlers are very reasonable for what we are capable of doing for our dogs. For those that are being charged for every little thing YEP - its time to find another handler.JMO debi james ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================