In a message dated 3/22/2006 6:00:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, Willenstark1@xxxxxxx writes: We put in many more unseen hours into our dogs that the few minutes you see in the ring.JMO...debi james Some of the handlers do.....not all. This is not handlers bashing. I have always admired the way you present the dogs and the way you handle the dogs. I have trusted Greg Eschette with my TJ, and God knows I can't stand sending that dog anywhere. TJ loves both Greg and his wife Linda, and I have often recommended him to others. Bill Basu has handled my dogs, and he is a pain in the rear to deal with, but I guess it could be worse...... he never charges for grooming my dogs, 'cause he doesn't. But he can handle any of my dogs any day, he has always been clear and honest with me, and I've done the same. Tachi is the most expensive handler in the world.....I've been supporting her for 20 years...<G>. I also think is my responsibility as the owner to bring my dogs ready for action on show day. That means in good condition, trained the best I can, groomed and walked. My handlers usually just have to worry about going around the ring. I have never received nor asked for a discount because of this. I always thought that was MY responsibility. Not everything has been rosy, though. I had a bad experience with a handler who took awful care of one of my dogs. He will never get another dog from me, and I will strongly advice anyone from sending a dog to him. I have seen both sides of the coin. There are always two sides. I have plenty of respect and appreciation for the handlers. I can't do it, so if you guys can, yes, you should get paid for it. The original point was: Some handlers charge outrageous bonuses and extras. This is in addition to handling fees and expenses. There is no justification for this. Not that I am paying that kind of money. My husband would sh_t a brick if I did....<G> Ileana ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================