We all understand what you mean Jackie it's just some don't agree. (Just to be clear, I'm in that camp.) You can use "come" if you want a general "come here, but no hurry and not in a direct line" and "front" in the OB ring. See???? Same language. Or you can use the same command with a different tone/inflection and get different results. My dogs are smart enough to know "lie down" when I am eating dinner means "no begging, they should lie down, but it's just fine to dilly-dally and get a comfortable spot" and "down" as a drop command in the OB ring. They are also smart enough to obey hand signals which has nothing at all to do with language lol. I'm with Iza, speaking German to a dog here just sounds pretentious. Should the Collie people speak Scottish???? <G> Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 10/13/2011 8:35:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marcatoshepherds@xxxxxxxxx writes: Ed...I really don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. I KNOW the language itself doesn't matter. I could say "Rutabaga" to get my dog to lie down if I wanted to. The point is the behaviors I'm asking for are NOT the same. Different words mean different things. Saying down and having the dog sit and then lie down is NOT the same as saying platz and having the dog fold back into a sphynx position. I'm asking for my dog to use its body in a different way. Saying down and being ok with my dog doing a sit then going into a down one minute, and then correcting them for it the next (i.e. "No, I want you to fold backwards") muddies the waters for the dog, and makes the results inconsistent, because the dog doesn't understand what I want. I could say "Squash!" for the dog to come sit square in front of me if that's what I wanted it to mean. I won't use "come" when I'm asking for two different behaviors. Come has never meant "sit in front of me" for the dogs. I'm not going to tell them to come in an obedience ring and expect them to sit in front...that's not what I've taught them come means. We use English at home for the laid back setting, and German for the obedience ring so I can get the behaviors I want in the right setting. Dogs generalize behaviors, but not all of them, and it is important to be as clear as possible to the dog. -- Jackie & Jonathan Nguyen Marcato German Shepherds<http://www.marcatogermanshepherds.com> S Konzert vom Drachenberg, RN, CD, CGC "Strauss" Devine's Gunpowder N Lead RN "Mirada" Somerset Rose's Honor Bound "Bravo" ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================