Hey Sandi I have some snap shots of Judd around here someplace that I took myself when he went Canadian GV. We are still not completely unpacked from our move to the Funny Farm, but I must see if I can find them. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Dir" <dir@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx>; <ELG440@xxxxxxx> Cc: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:01 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: GSD movement question Hi Doc, I am not afraid to reply online. I would put Judd's shoulder up against Dragonslayer's any day. Not trying to be hurtful to those involved with this dog--he was very very nice and his owner is a very nice person. I saw him at my house many years ago and I also saw him in the ring. But to date the only dog I would consider to be in competition with Judd's shoulder would be his father and Kurt von Bid Scono his son Hale is close. Remember we are talking shoulders only. Sandi Card ----- Original Message ----- From: <Doctrcorgi@xxxxxxx> To: <ELG440@xxxxxxx> Cc: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:17 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: GSD movement question > After reading Evans post about Dakota and Dragonslayer, it brings to mind the > importance of shoulder angulation and length of upper arm.I saw these two > dogs for the first time competing together...I became closely acquainted with > Dakota as his vet while he was here in Seattle...I bred to him also. I loved my > litter. BUT Dragon slayer WAS THEDOG. He had the shoulder structure Dakota > lacked. Jerry G tood Dakota slower and at a more steady speed because he was > aware that a doig with an average shoulder does not have the flexability in the > gait departmenet...He could only go so fast...Dragonslayer, a dog of Grand > Victor quality may have been the greatest dog the breed had seen..Unfortunatly he > died early of Toxic Gut. He was one of the reasons I set to work to find a > preventive for this devistating condition. When his Father died That was it...I > had to go to work on this problem. > Getting back to the shoulder,it is the more improtant of the two sets of legs > in the dog. There was a great dog in the early 60's called Ch Harold v Haus > Tigges. My friend Eric Renner showed Harold to his Chanpionship ..but his > first love was the great Ulk. > Harold had recognisably NO rear....good topline, and a terrific shoulder > assembly.He moved beautifully with plenty of drive and tremandous reach. When his > front foot was at full extension, it was on the ground, as it should be...He > was beautiful to watch in motion.Again this shows what the good shoulder can do > for the dog.We do not have these shoulders today...our eye has becone > accustomed to the average shoulder , not the erxtreme...only the extreem rear...For > stamina and endurance, we need the good front not the good rear...I can feel > the bullets circling my head already (GG) > > Chuck Kruger dvm > > Ps...Hey all you guys who send m,e private messages telling me how correct i > am, and how you l;ike my postes, why dont you put them on the list > too....?????(G) > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. 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