You know, I am the easiest person in the world to taslk to..I love people and their dogs...Form 45 years i have devoted my life to helping both...I always say the people who dislike me or are afraid of me, are those who dont know me.(G) I do like Dr. Phills approach..I just dont believe in mincing words...I will say i do try to be able to back up anything I say..either from the literature or my personal experience. I do not loike quoting others...too dangerous sometimes.. Chuck GGRRRRRR> ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================