The point is, Mike, that out here CONFORMATION cannot stand on it's own any longer. Park rental, insurance, flying in judges, mailing entries, AKC fees (have you noticed how they went up?) and all the rest keep going up and up and we cannot just keep raising the entry fees. We have it as our policy to hold the line on the entry fees if at all posible. You live in an area with more conformation exhibitors. Out here the exhibitors are very limited. We used to draw exhibitors from California, but they set up shows on the same weekends and are building majors at home. It is a 10 hour drive to the SF Bay area - the cost to drive up and back now is at least $300 plus hotel. They stay home for hte most part. And I don't blame them - I would think long and hard about another long road trip. If we could make the shows more novice handler friendly, we might interest more newbies. But that is not going to happen as we get all excited about the flashy, racing dogs instead of the smooth, fluid, effortless dogs. We love speed. It is not going to happen as the entire show game has become more and more professional - the average Joe cannot afford the expensive ads in the multiple magazines, the endless travel, the handlers, the photographers, the ad agencies --- so they go play elsewhere. Too bad - this should be a wonderful activity for the whole family. We are maintaining our entry fees at $24/$14 with Jr handling free. That means if the conformation show was to pay its own way, it would have to come up with 110 conformation entries to cover basic costs - two shows on one day at least combines the park rental and insurance costs for both shows. Two shows on one day will come closer to covering the conformation costs. I can tell you that there are not 50+ local conformation exhibits. So we do a lot of other things to pay for conformation. This club committed a lot of money to make our conformation shows worthwhile. We could just join with an all-breed and make their GSD classes our specialty and it would allow us to meet the AKC requirements of holding a breed event. We don't want to do that. So we looked for GSDs in other venues and said - come and join us. We are creating educational programs that will assist those not used to thinking about conformation to learn about correct structure and how it can help them in their endeavors. And they teach us the importance of a sound, balanced dog in the performance field. It is a win-win situation. Ruth Lindenhill German Shepherds <Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: But it shouldn't be, that is the point. Conformation should stand on its own, like it did for mamy years, supporting the obedience entries. And what if those other clubs, choose to hold their shows on YOUR weekend(assuming they are more then 200 miles away) with both obedience and conformation. YOU CAN'T STOP THEM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth Scheubler To: fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx ; DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx ; Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx ; TISHW@xxxxxxx ; ELG440@xxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Futurity/Maturity Entries That's right - it is the all-breed performance events that are supporting the conformation show and are making it possible for us to have our 100th show celebration with $1300 in prize money. It has also brought new blood and workers into the club. We hold all-breed Obedience, Rally, Agility and Herding trials. We are also teaching some die-hard conformation folks some new tricks --- we may be getting older, but not to old to try something new!! We now have 6 specialty shows in Washington/Oregon in about 6 weeks. 1 month later we have two more. I do not expect people from all over to fly in for our weekend (although they will miss a great show if they don't) and we are happy keeping it local. We want to enjoy ourselves, enjoy our dogs and have a good time. If that appeals to you, come and join us. We are perfectly willing to allow the other clubs to host the futurities as we will not give up our Memorial Day weekend because we can't get the park any other time. There are lots of factors that go into selecting show dates and things like venue availability are quite important. Ruth www.gsdcoregon.com Terry Cochran wrote: What is it that you think the PC can do to get the clubs to move their show dates? I can tell you when faced with a change of show dates to accommodate the Futurity Maturity dates the Oregon club voted not to host the Futurity Maturity any longer. We now host an agility trial the weekend following our shows and make enough money to provide our membership with an opportunity to participate in other venues without worrying about the finances. The clubs that are making it are the clubs that support performance. I doubt that any club will survive on conformation alone. Terry .DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 3/21/2008 7:32:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: The parent club NEEDS to get involved in separating the shows within each region and perhaps extending the futurity season as well to help alleviate the stress of all those shows in such a small window of time. Oh well, back to the lurking room Mike, I absolutely agree, here in California March and April are Hell months especially April....It is near impossible to get to all of the shows and were they to be spread out it could happen. So many clubs have moved into April now my cost for Entries alone are just at $1000 this flurry of shows (yes, I am showing more than 1, or 2 or 3...LOL) . Not everyone can afford this, really I can't but am finding the way.. 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