Let me rephraze for you Terry ;-). The devil is in the details. What I meant to say is the PC needs to get involved at this VERY DETAILED level in an effort to in the long run help the sport, instead of letting it take care of itself at the local club level. Certainly each club needs to be cognicent of its own efforts to improve and drive entries, but they "HAVE LITTLE OR NOT CONTROL" on the other clubs in the region or nationaly, and the PC Does M ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Cochran To: Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Futurity/Maturity Entries The PC needs to get involved at this lowest of levels, in an effort to save entries and perhaps attract some additional exhibitors. Which will in the long run translate into bigger and better nationals. Would you please explain the above statement. Are you saying that the Regional Clubs are the lowest of levels??? I must be touchy this morning because I find that offensive. Kill off the Regional clubs and you don't need a Parent Club. Terry Lindenhill German Shepherds <Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> te: Agreed Tish, change is not easy - and it will take quite an effort. But is MUST be done on a Regional if not National Basis. None of the clubs would even agree to move off those prized dates during the Futurity Season until that is extended. Chicken and the Egg. The PC needs to get involved at this lowest of levels, in an effort to save entries and perhaps attract some additional exhibitors. Which will in the long run translate into bigger and better nationals. Time to start at the bottom on the details, and work our way up M ----- Original Message ----- From: TISHW@xxxxxxx To: Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx ; ELG440@xxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Futurity/Maturity Entries In a message dated 3/21/2008 10:14:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Many clubs have moved their shows to the three months that are essentially the Futurity Season, of course this is a boon when you have the Futurity, but on the off years, you are stuck competing with all the other clubs that now have shows on the same dates and close enough to cause your(and their) entries to drop. The exhibitors, running on the discretionary income now This is true but there is another contributing factor to the problem. Clubs had back-to-back shows with another club in their region. In Northern VA in the Spring, Eastern VA in the fall. In ABQ in the spring, in Amarillo in the fall. Now clubs can have both specialities in their name on one weekend. This doesn't apply to NoVA/East Va but in the case of Sacramento I believe they are having 2 Sacramento Spec. shows and 2 Reno Spec. shows. Central NM does 2 shows in the spring. Amarillo has since gone out of existence so there is no show over there in the fall. In the fall the specialty clubs want to have their shows prior to the National so that dogs needing to finish before the National can enter. They also do not want to compete (at least in some areas) with the Canadian National or the American National. That leaves September and maybe a week in October for good weekends. Summer in many areas is too hot. And of course there are the All Breed shows to contend with for dates. I happened to notice in the Gazette (now that I am back in VA) that the Old Dominion Kennel Club show which used to be a large 4 show circuit with other all breeds in the No VA area is now being held over in Maryland on a different date in April. I'm wondering what happened there. Bottom line is changing dates is difficult for most clubs. It's hard to find weekends when there is no conflict with a specialty club or all breed club within 200 miles (even in New Mexico). 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