Theresa, Joan did the right thing with the dog she referred to in her last post. She "knew" it had soundness (temperament) issues. She likely witnesses it first hand at some other show or outing. Fast forward to the show she recently judged that same "unsound" dog. Joan entered the ring and correctly used a "clean slate" to evaluate each dog. That dog can not be evaluated on his reputation or previous performance. Judges must consider the dogs reaction, performance and it's structure on that day as those factors relate directly to our breed standard. Furthermore, if the unsoundness is really an inherited thing, how in the world would you suggest judges come to know that about each dog we have to judge? How do breeders and owners even know that for certain? More times than not, in my opinion, the unsoundness is an inherited thing, although the first red flags are not always there as young puppies. A lack of an optimal "environment" will negatively impact an already questionable character. Conversely, a good (clever, dedicated) environment can significantly help hide a dog who inherently has poor temperament. Evan mentioned the other day about a judge who said she didn't pick a dog because she heard he had a bad temperament. Judges are NOT here to play God or Supreme Guardian of our Breed by withholding an award because of hearsay or actual past performance. If anyone who is judging thinks this way, you may consider it timely to talk with some of your peers about it. If you still think your Supreme Guardian mandate is legitimate after mentoring discussions with other judges and breeders, then I suggest it would be an appropriate decision to return your license to the AKC or CKC. We are here to uphold our breed's standard evaluate on the day! As Morton mentioned, the German phrase for advice to judges essentially translates as "judge dogs." Jack *** Depends on why they are unsound, if they could pass it on or not. If it is an inherited unsoundness they should never place. *** Theresa -----Original Message----- From: Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 6:51 AM To: campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: From AKC On Thu, 9/27/12, Joan Fox <campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Dog shows (conformation events) are intended to evaluate breeding stock. The size of these events ranges from large all-breed shows, with over 3,000 dogs entered, to small local specialty club shows, featuring a specific breed. The dog's conformation (overall appearance and structure), an indication of the dog's ability to produce quality puppies, is judged. *** If owners, breeders and fanciers decide not to show the good dogs, the judge does not have good representation of the breed to chose. The judge can only then chose the dog they feel to be the best there. However, they are not, since the best didn't show up.*** The American Kennel Club was established in 1884 to promote the study, breeding, exhibiting and advancement of purebred dogs. It is the largest not-for-profit purebred dog registry in the nation. ***It might be "the largest non-for-profit purebred dog in the nation" but that does not make them the best. Why do they not demand all dogs to be DNA'd for parentage? Not register from puppy mills, etc.? Not saying there are not very good dogs registered with them but not all the good go to Dog Shows. How many are not of the breed stated? *** Just saying. Of course we as judges need to evaluate any dog on any give day. I recently put up an amimal that I knew not to be sound but they were fine at that time. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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