I don't think you can compare the two. A dog either reacts to a stimuli or it does not. It either hides behind it's handler or goes to the end of the lead and defends or is neutral ( just stands there). A dog will either recover from the sound of gun fire or it will not. It will either be approachable by a friendly stranger or it will not. It will walk on a different surface or it will not. It will either recover form the umbrella popping open in it's face or it will not. It will check out a strange sound or it will not. It will defend,hide, or do nothing, in response to the weird strange, who we have come to love as Paul. :0) If a person can't read a dogs reaction then they should not be an evaluator. It is much different than the subjective way dogs are judged in conformation. All temperament tests are video so if there is a protest the video is there to check the response of the dog. 8 tester are not enough to provide the service to the entire region. I am sure there are people within the breed that could be trained to do this. What is more surprising is that not one of us knows the entire list of 8, or how these original 8 came to be. Terry Deena Canals <dc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > test is scored according to a predetermined set of criteria. If all evaluators preform their duties by the book I don't see a problem. Sounds like very sound logic except for the fact that it involves people. Using that train of logic, if all the judges are judging according to the same standard, they all would put up the same dogs and people wouldn't have to research their preferences and there would be no talk about if its an All Breed dog or a Specialty dog. That obviously isn't happening. And its not just that all the judges are good and simply putting the best dogs in a slightly different order. According to some of the posts, some of them are just plain BAD. Eight sounds like a low number, probably a few more could be trained. Obviously those eight are going to age and will need replacements. Deena ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ Terry Cochran www.FairwayShepherds.com www.Rightdog.com RightDog Photography --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================