[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Close sable
- From: Destinogs1 <destinogs1@xxxxxxx>
- To: stormy435@xxxxxxxxx, izaackerman@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 21:28:21 -0500 (EST)
Many years ago, I bred a sable to a sable and it was a line breeding on
Doppeltay's Jesse James. I got a b/t that was a blue and sables that were
livers. One male puppy was born dead. He was a solid gun metal gray. I
really don't know what he would have looked like if he had lived and grown up,
but he was definately not a sable nor a black and tan. I've never seen that
color again, nor have I ever gotten livers or blues since. This goes back to
the late 60's. I've bred sables for many years and have never seen a sable
born dark that got lighter and lighter with age. In my case, the sables got
darker as that got older. Some of the black and tans were so light at birth
that some people THOUGHT they were sables. Since sable is the dominant, not a
recessive gene, one parent must be sable in order for any of the puppies to be
sable. I've never gotten a sable from two black and tans, just light, washed
out black and tans.
Mary
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From: Stormy V. Hope <stormy435@xxxxxxxxx>
To: izaackerman <izaackerman@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: stjamesgsd <stjamesgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; scenecrest.geo
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Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Close sable
I wish that I could send the picture of my Dancer's Dancers litter. When born,
here were 5 sables, 2 of them very, very dark, 2 a bit lighter, and a bit
ighter yet. The four b/ts were all really dark, deeply pigmented.
Storm
n Feb 7, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "Iza Ackerman" <izaackerman@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Oh, Linda ! One part of your statement is very wrong. They are not all born
ery light. I have often had sables that I thought were black & tans at
irth - they were VERY dark - I had to bring them to very strong light to
ee what their color actually was.
Iza Kabuska-Ackerman
ww.Karizmashepherds.com
KC Breeder of Merit
reeder of a Canadian Grand Victor, an American Grand Victor,
nd many more beautiful dogs !
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rom: Linda H.
ent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 5:31 PM
o: scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx ; showgsd list
ubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Close sable
When sables are born there is no doubt of their future color. They are born
ery light and get darker pigment as they grow. My last litter out of a
able bitch produced 10 puppies and only one was a sable. My previous
itters usually had an average of 40 % sables. Linda HendrixGoose Creek, SC
ate: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:09:47 -0800
rom: scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx
ubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Close sable
o: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Meant to say maybe they were not a sable but actual a black and tan. I
ave
GSD right now that has grey underlay with certain times of the year
ooks
able but is not. Testing for coat color sometimes might be the only way
o
now for sure.
Theresa
On Thu, 2/7/13, Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm
scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx
s it possible even though they looked as though they had a saddle they
ere actually a sable?
Theresa
On Thu, 2/7/13, Amy Greenhut wrote:
arbara.......that statement is not true. I know of several people who
ave bred two sables together and got black and tan puppies. I evev know
f one litter where 80% of the puppies were black and tan. Since sable is
he dominant gene, you would not think that would happen.......but it
oes.
Amy Greenhut
ustrock German Shepherds
---- Original Message -----
From: Barbara Amidon
You can only get a sable by breeding to a sable..Barbara Amidon If both
arents are sable you will only get sable
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