Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Close sable The Gray Wolf (Canis Lupus) Their coats vary geographically which I've always found interesting in nature. They come in white, gray, brown, black, cream-color, tawny, and some nearly all uniform black or white (in arctic conditions). However the gray fur color tends to dominate, as is evidence by the name, Gray Wolf. So I'm assuming our GSDs have carried those coat colors through all of the years in their DNA. But then all of sudden pops out a Panda coat. Now the herding type shepherd bred to the wolf was involved in this makeup type. And is the dominate gray gene from the wolf creating those sables today? This solid gun metal gray you've mentioned sure would've been interesting to see grown up. What a shame it perished. I don't believe blue/red's have dark nose/lip/eye ring pigment as well? Kathy Partch "JoKay's" > Many years ago, I bred a sable to a sable and it was a line breeding on > Doppeltay's Jesse James. I got a b/t that was a blue and sables that were > livers. One male puppy was born dead. He was a solid gun metal gray. I > really don't know what he would have looked like if he had lived and grown > up, but he was definately not a sable nor a black and tan. I've never > seen that color again, nor have I ever gotten livers or blues since. This > goes back to the late 60's. I've bred sables for many years and have > never seen a sable born dark that got lighter and lighter with age. In my > case, the sables got darker as that got older. Some of the black and tans > were so light at birth that some people THOUGHT they were sables. Since > sable is the dominant, not a recessive gene, one parent must be sable in > order for any of the puppies to be sable. I've never gotten a sable from > two black and tans, just light, washed out black and tans. > > Mary ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================