My take on missing teeth is if you have a dog with a missing teeth but cannot come close to moving with the others in the class, he loses. Any faults of moverment are a SERIOUS FAULT. What I am saying is if I have a really good moving animal it will win over one who cannnot move as well but may having two missing teeth. Lee Brown -----Original Message----- From: Gsdman2@xxxxxxx To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:43:36 EDT Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Breed Standard-Objective vs Sugjective Faults??? In a message dated 7/7/2006 8:22:54 PM Central Daylight Time, cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: To take an objective fault, Teeth and bite, and make it a subjective fault only increases the amount of gray area in judging but also allows the standard to describe a less than perfect animal. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- While I am always happy to see any judge keep the standard as the objective ... and I respect D.D.'s judging because he does exactly that ... there is another perspective to judging teeth objectively or subjectively. Since the standard says "Complete dentition is to be preferred. Any missing teeth other than first premolars is a serious fault." .... then isn't overlooking a dog for a higher award based solely on missing first premolars actually "subjective" judging? Tom Langlitz ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================