In a message dated 7/7/2006 5:18:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: In an effort to keep Listers continually reading the GSD Standard, I am asking which faults listed in the Standard do you consider objective and which do you consider subjective? This might partially answer why there is such a disparity in the judging you see today in the confirmation ring. I do not have the answers but I think a dialog with how different people perceive faults might help us get a better understanding of what goes on in the ring. Does this sound reasonable or am I way off base? D.D. ============================================================================ =========================================================================== D.D I think it's a great question. the first thing I did was to reread the standard. We in GSDs are fortunate to have a very detailed and descriptive standard. One has only to read some of the standards of the other breeds to realize this. The parts of our standard that I feel may lend themselves to subjective judging are 1 General impression 2 Size and proportions [Since we do not measure in the ring] 3 Head [secondary sex characteristics] to a degree 4 Temperament to a degree All else is discribed in great detail, that doesn't mean we will see it all the same. The black and white are easy it's the gray areas that cause the trouble. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================