[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Bloat - how sad is this....Couple of Things
- From: Denise Williams <denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:45:04 -0800 (PST)
Not necessarily just a show line problem. But it sure seems like it has become
more prevalent in those lines. And it seems to happen more frequently.
Of course, I could be wrong, whose making a scientific study of this? It's
nearly impossible to do so because of the lack of openness. It's not evil to
have bred dogs that bloated later on in life. It's a problem when you hide it.
In those cases, we have no way to try to see where the problem lies. It could
have been the food. It could have been the type of care or lack.
Denise W.
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From: "barbmarkh@xxxxxxx" <barbmarkh@xxxxxxx>
To: spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx; Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 2:03:57 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Bloat - how sad is this....Couple of Things
Hi
Bloat has been around for quite a few years now - don't you think we
should all know how to tube a dog - just in case??? It would be great
to have a program at the National given by a vet with the latest
research finds on bloat - and instructions on how to tube!!! That way
we would all know that all our handlers knew how to handle this crisis
- as well as all of us. . . .
I found it interesting that everyone thinks that this is just an
American show line problem . . .think again . . . .most of the big
breed dogs and many of the small breeds are having the same problem. .
. If you remember a few years ago the comment was made that everyone at
a Great Dane national had a bloat kit on their belt and always had one
at their finger tips - the problem was that bad in Danes. About 18
years ago I experienced my first case of bloat - my vet (a young vet
from LSU) said it was one of the first he had ever seen - now talk to
him . . .he sees it all the time - but the most popular breed for him
is not GSD. . . . and most of what he sees is pet dogs - not from show
breeders - just pets . . . . It even occurs in rescue dogs . . .
If this is hereditary how did it spread from breed to breed? Just a
question I don't have an answer too . . . .and what dog do we think was
the start of the problem? If we think it happened beca
use I dog was
breed too much - then what are we thinking about in our breeding
programs now? Don't think I am saying that - I don't know - I'm just
asking the question . . .
Even after research - I'm not sure that any line is free of the problem
- if that is the case - maybe we should be putting more importance on
research studies - after all we are still as a club putting money into
hip problem research - which is not as deadly as bloat is . . . . have
we as GSD fanciers expressed our concern to the parent club that this
should be a main concern - I asked for a program at the national
several years ago and was told it wasn't important enough . . . .
Who wants to be the first to say they know a line that is totally free
of bloat? It takes two to tango - so do both sides have to be free for
the offspring to be free of the problem - and are we willing to say
that this is not a dog food problem - or some additive reaction problem
- that it is a heredity problem? Is it a digestive enzyme problem? Of
just a dept of body problem? If it is a dept of body problem then no
"dry" tucked up dogs should bloat?
Barb Hefner
Marquin GSD
-----Original Message-----
From: Jessica MacMillan <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:35 pm
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Bloat - how sad is this....Couple of Things
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First off..... I would be pleased to know that my handler had the kit
available
to tube my dog if need be... That's responsibility and to me, all GSD
handlers
should be able to tube dogs...
Two... I don't think Cindy was passing gossip.. I think she was making
a
statement about the fact that bloat is a prevalent enough problem so
that it
just becomes a day to day thing that handlers have to do.. That's a sad
commentary on a breed. But like GSDs bloating in situations like that,
Dals
often form stones because they are under stress and have a
predisposition to
urate stones.
Finally... I have learned to accept that bloat is part of the breed and
I hope I
don't have to manage it (I do have a kit though, and I do know how to
tube
thanks to a dal bloating). When I breed a bitch, I will try my darnest
to find a
healthy pedigree, free of the issue, but sometimes, no matter what you
do and
how hard you research, reality is going to come up and bite you. You
just hope
it is your own personal dog that it happens with and not pet buyers and
you
better be honest with the folks that bought show pups from the litter.
Jess M.Paisley Dals (www.paisleydals.com)& The Shepherd Girls (Simmie,
CGC, TDI,
TC, HIC & Pepper, HIC)Member of: DCA, GSDCA & GTCDC
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