The breeders in the WGSDCA & WGSDCI would show as a serious fault. And, that is our right, if we so choose. I do not see what the issue is. If WE (whites) are okay with the serious fault, how does that make everyone else feel it is a bad thing for us? Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: Pam Stoesser <pkstoesser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:06 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Apology to the Board Fact: Some part of the white GSD people have been petitioning the Board for years to remove white (but not albino) as a disqualification. Fact: The Board cannot change the Breed Standard. The process to change the Breed Standard (put out by Lana over the weekend) is in the Club�s Bylaws (available on GSDCA.org/) which involves a lot of petitioning of the AKC and a ballot to the membership. In order to approve the Standard change 2/3rd of the people returning the ballot have to vote �yes�. Fact: The Board voted to let the membership decide because there does not seem to be a consensus among the members. From: Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:42 AM To: terrycochran97756@xxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Apology to the Board Terry wrote: I think it is selfish and self centered. We are going to remove a DQ so we might be able to raise the numbers in the conformation ring? Wouldn't it be better to allow the white dogs to become there own breed? How many of you enter a dog show to loose? Do the breeders of whites not want to prove their lines in a conformation ring? Are they all performance? Do we need members so badly that we are willing to hold the white breeders back? I vote to cut them loose and let them do there own thing. This is an attempt to placate them so they keep on sending in dues and entering performance events nothing more. The GSD is standing between them and the AKC. Like someone said, What judge would ever put them up? So the GSDCA thinks it is a step forward for the white breeders to be made a serious fault instead of a DQ after they have put in all the effort on cleaning up health issues? That says tons about us as a club. Terry<<<< I do know there clubs working with the Swiss White Shepherd "Blanc Berger Suisse" for a separate breed as UKC made them one and FCI did as Germany approved. I think they felt since the GSDCA in the past followed Germany on the whites it would happen again. I know the white GSD and White Shepherd clubs are divided and since I do not own, breed or plan to I do not know what the right decision is. However, I will say when the UKC made the choice to only allow white dog to white dog breeding to be registered as a White Shepherd dog I do see a downside to it. A white GSD can still be bred to a white GSD but now only can be registered as a GSD and can show as such. I agree with if they are made a serious fault instead of DQ do not see this as a plus either. In the end regardless it will be up to the GSDCA voters to decide. So, I guess all members that care one way or another need to cast that vote and not complain when the votes are counted and accept the decision. http://www.awsaclub.com/ Theresa ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. 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