It’s a silly bill that will mean nothing to the Federal government. On top of
that it will never pass…
As for the discussion of interaction with LEO’s… so far, albeit very few
since I have gotten my CWP 16 years ago, have been very cordial and
professional.
As a side note, I found it ironic that there was an article in the Greenville
News recently about a middle age black man who had drilled into his two sons
that they needed to come home when ever they went out and one of the most vital
things was if they had an interaction with a police officer to be cordial and
comply with their instructions… when I read that my first thought was ‘DUH”!
why would anyone do different… I don’t care if you are pulled over for no good
reason or stopped on the street …. be cordial and cooperative.
But then for about 30 years I’ve not looked like a threat……
Blume
On Apr 28, 2021, at 3:28 PM, Bob Merritt <bobscayuse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
There is a bill in the Senate that would create a militia. It is S0614 and I
think it would help us stand against Biden's desire to take our guns. I ask
you to take a look at it for yourself.
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 1:00 PM TERRENCE GRAHAM <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I tell every officer I am stopped this phrased. I am required by law to
inform you I am a concealed weapon holder and I am armed and yes I have a
permit officer what do you need me to do that will stop them from any chatter
about any kind of crap they want to give you but once you say I am informed
by law to inquire to tell you they automatically stop and listen to you
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On Apr 28, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Kevin Hood <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Martin D. White <martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote: "Every time LEOs have stopped me, I say "I am a CWP holder and I am
carrying a weapon"."
I wait to hand my CWP to an officer when I hand him my DL. If an officer
asks about weapons before I hand him my DL and CWP I answer that I have a
CWP and yes, I do have a firearm. I then wait for their reply before saying
or doing anything else.
That approach must keep the tension down because I have not had a bad
interaction with LEO based on my firearm. Way back when CWPs were first
available a young guy asked why I felt the need to carry a firearm. Suffice
it to say my answer now would be different. But still, that was the low
point in my interactions. Yes, twice officers in SC have asked for my
firearm. But that was pretty low key and while I didn't like handing over my
firearm the interaction wasn't bad. I even had one officer thank me for
carrying. After he had pulled me over for speeding. And he only gave me a
warning.
I'm not suggesting anyone here deserved bad treatment for any reason.
Probably I have just gotten reasonable officers.
I have actually had more bad treatment when I wasn't armed and this little
kid, and eventually his superior, weren't happy I wasn't rolling over for
them. The "discussion" was really a 4th Amendment discussion rather than a
2nd. I told him where i was going wasn't an issue. Even in that I wish I
hadn't matched the officer's "authoritative tone" and then loud tone. Which
I did each step he escalated. I wish I had just blinked and talked in a
regular tone. Let just him be the ass if he wants to be.
On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 11:03:00 AM EDT, Robert D Butler
<dawgbutler@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:dawgbutler@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I was pulled from my vehicle with my family still inside the vehicle. I was
spread eagled against the vehicle by the officer. I was forced to wait in
that position until backup arrived. What was even scarier was when the
officer wanted to stick his hand inside my pants to take my weapon out of my
ThunderWear holster.
Rob
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:56 AM Martin D. White <martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Every time LEOs have stopped me, I say "I am a CWP holder and I am carrying
a weapon". This has been meet with reactions from "OK, where is the weapon?"
to the LEO pulling his weapon and pointing it at me (during a traffic stop
for 40 in a 35 zone). I have friends that are cops, I have friends that are
very anti-cop. They all agree with Robert on this point, the less
interaction the better.
On 4/28/2021 10:50 AM, Robert D Butler wrote:
And, the LEO will need to disarm you for his protection while he checks to
make sure you have proper training credentials. Then, you might end up
like the poor black man who had a CWP and was stopped by the police. He
informed the officer he had a CWP as he was required to do under the law.
He was told to show his permit by the LEO. When he reached for his wallet
in his back pocket, the LEO shot and killed him. The less interaction I
have with police, the better it is for me.
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:00 AM Martin D. White <martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I did not read the bill......Open carry "with training" implies that there
will be a training and permitting (or certification) process. This is a
legally problematic area, because it gives cops the right to stop (and
probably search) anyone if they are open carrying, under the reason that
you might be breaking the law. The requirement for a permit for open carry
is both wrong and a legal problem for those trying to exercise it.
On 4/28/2021 9:50 AM, Sherra Scott wrote:
The 2nd subcommittee meeting on H3094 (Open Carry with Training) has been
set for tomorrow (Thursday) at 9:30 AM! If you want to testify, you will
need to call them (info is in the post). Unfortunately, I
have a previous commitment and will not be able to be there for this
meeting.
https://www.southcarolinacarry.org/take-2-h3094-open-carry-with-training-senate-judiciary-subcommittee/
<https://www.southcarolinacarry.org/take-2-h3094-open-carry-with-training-senate-judiciary-subcommittee/>
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 9:39 AM John Ponti <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Who screwed us over on open carry and let them know you will be supporting
pro-2A candidates during the state senate primaries.
Given the current republican 'super-majority' in the state legislature
this kind of inaction is f***ing inexcusable.
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