Martin D. White <martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: "Every time LEOs have stopped
me, I say "I am a CWP holder and I am carrying a weapon"."
I wait to hand my CWP to an officer when I hand him my DL. If an officer asks
about weapons before I hand him my DL and CWP I answer that I have a CWP and
yes, I do have a firearm. I then wait for their reply before saying or doing
anything else.
That approach must keep the tension down because I have not had a bad
interaction with LEO based on my firearm. Way back when CWPs were first
available a young guy asked why I felt the need to carry a firearm. Suffice it
to say my answer now would be different. But still, that was the low point in
my interactions. Yes, twice officers in SC have asked for my firearm. But that
was pretty low key and while I didn't like handing over my firearm the
interaction wasn't bad. I even had one officer thank me for carrying. After he
had pulled me over for speeding. And he only gave me a warning.
I'm not suggesting anyone here deserved bad treatment for any reason. Probably
I have just gotten reasonable officers.
I have actually had more bad treatment when I wasn't armed and this little kid,
and eventually his superior, weren't happy I wasn't rolling over for them. The
"discussion" was really a 4th Amendment discussion rather than a 2nd. I told
him where i was going wasn't an issue. Even in that I wish I hadn't matched the
officer's "authoritative tone" and then loud tone. Which I did each step he
escalated. I wish I had just blinked and talked in a regular tone. Let just him
be the ass if he wants to be.
On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 11:03:00 AM EDT, Robert D Butler
<dawgbutler@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I was pulled from my vehicle with my family still inside the vehicle. I was
spread eagled against the vehicle by the officer. I was forced to wait in that
position until backup arrived. What was even scarier was when the officer
wanted to stick his hand inside my pants to take my weapon out of my
ThunderWear holster.
Rob
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:56 AM Martin D. White <martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Every time LEOs have stopped me, I say "I am a CWP holder and I am carrying a
weapon". This has been meet with reactions from "OK, where is the weapon?" to
the LEO pulling his weapon and pointing it at me (during a traffic stop for 40
in a 35 zone). I have friends that are cops, I have friends that are very
anti-cop. They all agree with Robert on this point, the less interaction the
better.
On 4/28/2021 10:50 AM, Robert D Butler wrote:
And, the LEO will need to disarm you for his protection while he checks to
make sure you have proper training credentials. Then, you might end up like
the poor black man who had a CWP and was stopped by the police. He informed
the officer he had a CWP as he was required to do under the law. He was told
to show his permit by the LEO. When he reached for his wallet in his back
pocket, the LEO shot and killed him. The less interaction I have with police,
the better it is for me.
Rob
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:00 AM Martin D. White <martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I did not read the bill......Open carry "with training" implies that there will
be a training and permitting (or certification) process. This is a legally
problematic area, because it gives cops the right to stop (and probably search)
anyone if they are open carrying, under the reason that you might be breaking
the law. The requirement for a permit for open carry is both wrong and a legal
problem for those trying to exercise it.
On 4/28/2021 9:50 AM, Sherra Scott wrote:
The 2nd subcommittee meeting on H3094 (Open Carry with Training) has been set
for tomorrow (Thursday) at 9:30 AM! If you want to testify, you will need to
call them (info is in the post). Unfortunately, I have a previous commitment
and will not be able to be there for this meeting.
https://www.southcarolinacarry.org/take-2-h3094-open-carry-with-training-senate-judiciary-subcommittee/
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 9:39 AM John Ponti <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Who screwed us over on open carry and let them know you will be supporting
pro-2A candidates during the state senate primaries.
Given the current republican 'super-majority' in the state legislature this
kind of inaction is f***ing inexcusable.
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