Jack, et al; I guess I am not thinking in the same mold as we have generally done in the past. In the past, the Novice group was aimed at folks who were either club members or honestly interested in being club members. This is NOT a public star party at Cherry Road. I think that we need to be very careful about how we advertise these meeting. Let's make certain that we keep the Novice Group of the Saguaro Astronomy Club different from a Public Star Party. The Novice Group is designed to educate and answer questions for club members and potential club members, a public viewing session is just that. I have this image of a Cherry Road get together that has 100 vehicles. Let's be careful; Steve Author "Deep Sky Observing--The Astronomical Tourist" Saguaro Astronomy Club website www.saguaroastro.org