I stand corrected. I was reminded after my post, of the Empire Ranch star parties that I myself attended! Thank you Dean, Rick R. SAC PS I agree, "astronomy is supposed to be fun". -----Original Message----- Wrong, Wrong, Wrong... The All Arizona Star Party was in fact started by TAAA back in the mid-80s and was held for at least 4-5 times at their Empire Ranch location SE of Tucson. I think when I was on their board, we even had a rather poorly received lecture series on saturday afternoon. I think to appeal more to the Phoenix folk, we agreed to release it to the more current central location in the early '90s. -Dean >> Interesting...In fact, both were started by SAC! (I think.)