[rollei_list] Re: Rolleiflex for Artists
- From: "Eric Goldstein" <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:35:52 -0400
Absolutely. I have worked with any number of shooters who were pretty
basic technically but had a wonderful talent to capture light and
moment. Weston was notoriously weak on the technicals...
On the flip side, I have also worked with technical masters whose
images were bland and pedestrian... very often those are the guys who
print for others or teach...
Eric Goldstein
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On 10/7/08, Marvin Wallace <Marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hello Mark,
>
> I am curious as to what you mean when you say technique comes into play? I
> would like to ask you, can one be a bad technician-photographically speaking
> and yet be a good photographer? I think not! This does place photography in
> a unique category if you accept this premise.
>
>
> Marvin.
>
>
>
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>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:45 PM
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> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rolleiflex for Artists
>
> "Technique" certainly comes well into play regardless of ones media if its
> painting, sculpture or whatever else is left.
> As it is in the performing arts.
> I don't believe photography stands alone as an unusual artform which is hard
> to categories as art or anything else.
> Lots of people nowadays to learn their art need to make sure they are not
> weak on computer skills.
>
>
>
> mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Mark William Rabiner
>
>
>
> > From: Marvin Wallace <Marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Reply-To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:13:15 +0800
> > To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rolleisflex for Artists
> >
> > I was considering the content of previous posts, and think it obvious that
> > photography at least with film, is not like being an artist," painter",
> > since the artist can be solely conceptual. The photographer on the other
> > hand must at least be a great technician. He or She is forced to master
> the
> > technique, whereas the artist can dispense with technique. This mastery of
> > technique is what makes the photographer an artist within the discipline.
> > This high technique lends itself to a quality camera such as the
> Rolleiflex.
> >
> >
> > Examples of such photographer technicians are Cartier Bresson, Ansel
> Adams,
> > Joel Peter Witkin, Andre Serrano, Cindy Sherman and so on.
> >
> > Marvin.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Rabiner
> > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:25 PM
> > To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Marvin Wallace and I Disagree
> >
> > I painted on the smooth side of Masonite as did lots of my friends taking
> > painting in Washington university in the 70's.
> > 4x4 was my format of choice.
> > Feet.
> > An 8x4 cut in half.
> >
> > Was a bit tricky to hitch hike down Big Bend Blvd with but I pulled it
> off.
> >
> >
> >
> > mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Mark William Rabiner
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: David Dodge <dannysoar@xxxxxxx>
> >> Reply-To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:28:48 -0400
> >> To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Marvin Wallace and I Disagree
> >>
> >> I was brought up by artists. They frequently painted on the rough side
> >> of Masonite. From time to time they'd crop a half finished painting with
> >> a saw. I remember one large painting that was cropped several times and
> >> wound up very small.
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >> Don Williams wrote:
> >>> At 07:27 PM 9/24/2008, Marc Small wrote, in part:
> >>>> Cropped photos are life. I cannot comprehend the sort of
> >>>> anal-retentive mindset which demands that all pictures be printed
> >>>> full-frame. It just does not work that way. Any one who has spent
> >>>> time in a dark room has experienced the process of just HOW to crop a
> >>>> decent negative. A lot of poor pictures produce a great cropped image.
> >>>>
> >>>> Marc
> >>>
> >>> I never knew cropping could be such an emotional subject. I never
> >>> think about it, I just do it, both in the camera and later, as the
> >>> mood strikes me.
> >>>
> >>> I wonder how all the famous painters of the past decided how to crop
> >>> their paintings. Was it a result of the size of the canvas they could
> >>> afford, the dimensions of the wall or ceiling they were working on,
> >>> the size of frames available (if there were ready-made frames), or what?
> >>>
> >>> DAW
> >>
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