[rollei_list] Re: Rolleiflex for Artists

  • From: "Marvin Wallace" <Marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:36:45 +0800

Hello Mark,

I am curious as to what you mean when you say technique comes into play? I
would like to ask you, can one be a bad technician-photographically speaking
and yet be a good photographer? I think not! This does place photography in
a unique category if you accept this premise.

Marvin.



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"Technique" certainly comes well into play regardless of ones media if its
painting, sculpture or whatever else is left.
As it is in the performing arts.
I don't believe photography stands alone as an unusual artform which is hard
to categories as art or anything else.
Lots of people nowadays to learn their art need to make sure they are not
weak on computer skills.



mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Mark William Rabiner



> From: Marvin Wallace <Marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:13:15 +0800
> To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rolleisflex for Artists
> 
> I was considering the content of previous posts, and think it obvious that
> photography at least with film, is not like being an artist," painter",
> since the artist can be solely conceptual. The photographer on the other
> hand must at least be a great technician. He or She is forced to master
the
> technique, whereas the artist can dispense with technique. This mastery of
> technique is what makes the photographer an artist within the discipline.
> This high technique lends itself to a quality camera such as the
Rolleiflex.
> 
> 
> Examples of such photographer technicians are Cartier Bresson, Ansel
Adams,
> Joel Peter Witkin, Andre Serrano, Cindy Sherman and so on.
> 
> Marvin. 
> 
> 
> 
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> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Rabiner
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:25 PM
> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Marvin Wallace and I Disagree
> 
> I painted on the smooth side of Masonite as did lots of my friends taking
> painting in Washington university in the 70's.
> 4x4 was my format of choice.
> Feet.
> An 8x4 cut in half.
> 
> Was a bit tricky to hitch hike down Big Bend Blvd with but I pulled it
off.
> 
> 
> 
> mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Mark William Rabiner
> 
> 
> 
>> From: David Dodge <dannysoar@xxxxxxx>
>> Reply-To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:28:48 -0400
>> To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Marvin Wallace and I Disagree
>> 
>> I was brought up by artists. They frequently painted on the rough side
>> of Masonite. From time to time they'd crop a half finished painting with
>> a saw. I remember one large painting that was cropped several times and
>> wound up very small.
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> Don Williams wrote:
>>> At 07:27 PM 9/24/2008, Marc Small wrote, in part:
>>>> Cropped photos are life.  I cannot comprehend the sort of
>>>> anal-retentive mindset which demands that all pictures be printed
>>>> full-frame.  It just does not work that way.  Any one who has spent
>>>> time in a dark room has experienced the process of just HOW to crop a
>>>> decent negative.  A lot of poor pictures produce a great cropped image.
>>>> 
>>>> Marc
>>> 
>>> I never knew cropping could be such an emotional subject.  I never
>>> think about it, I just do it, both in the camera and later, as the
>>> mood strikes me.
>>> 
>>> I wonder how all the famous painters of the past decided how to crop
>>> their paintings.  Was it a result of the size of the canvas they could
>>> afford, the dimensions of the wall or ceiling they were working on,
>>> the size of frames available (if there were ready-made frames), or what?
>>> 
>>> DAW
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