[rollei_list] Re: Rolleiflex for Artists
- From: Mark Rabiner <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:05:40 -0400
I hope I'm not coming across as saying the opposite of what I mean.
What I meant to say is that technique is very important in photography as it
is in all the arts. Even supposedly non high tech arts.
mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Mark William Rabiner
> From: Marvin Wallace <Marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:36:45 +0800
> To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rolleiflex for Artists
>
> Hello Mark,
>
> I am curious as to what you mean when you say technique comes into play? I
> would like to ask you, can one be a bad technician-photographically speaking
> and yet be a good photographer? I think not! This does place photography in
> a unique category if you accept this premise.
>
> Marvin.
>
>
>
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>
> "Technique" certainly comes well into play regardless of ones media if its
> painting, sculpture or whatever else is left.
> As it is in the performing arts.
> I don't believe photography stands alone as an unusual artform which is hard
> to categories as art or anything else.
> Lots of people nowadays to learn their art need to make sure they are not
> weak on computer skills.
>
>
>
> mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Mark William Rabiner
>
>
>
>> From: Marvin Wallace <Marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Reply-To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:13:15 +0800
>> To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rolleisflex for Artists
>>
>> I was considering the content of previous posts, and think it obvious that
>> photography at least with film, is not like being an artist," painter",
>> since the artist can be solely conceptual. The photographer on the other
>> hand must at least be a great technician. He or She is forced to master
> the
>> technique, whereas the artist can dispense with technique. This mastery of
>> technique is what makes the photographer an artist within the discipline.
>> This high technique lends itself to a quality camera such as the
> Rolleiflex.
>>
>>
>> Examples of such photographer technicians are Cartier Bresson, Ansel
> Adams,
>> Joel Peter Witkin, Andre Serrano, Cindy Sherman and so on.
>>
>> Marvin.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Rabiner
>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:25 PM
>> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Marvin Wallace and I Disagree
>>
>> I painted on the smooth side of Masonite as did lots of my friends taking
>> painting in Washington university in the 70's.
>> 4x4 was my format of choice.
>> Feet.
>> An 8x4 cut in half.
>>
>> Was a bit tricky to hitch hike down Big Bend Blvd with but I pulled it
> off.
>>
>>
>>
>> mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Mark William Rabiner
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: David Dodge <dannysoar@xxxxxxx>
>>> Reply-To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:28:48 -0400
>>> To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Marvin Wallace and I Disagree
>>>
>>> I was brought up by artists. They frequently painted on the rough side
>>> of Masonite. From time to time they'd crop a half finished painting with
>>> a saw. I remember one large painting that was cropped several times and
>>> wound up very small.
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> Don Williams wrote:
>>>> At 07:27 PM 9/24/2008, Marc Small wrote, in part:
>>>>> Cropped photos are life. I cannot comprehend the sort of
>>>>> anal-retentive mindset which demands that all pictures be printed
>>>>> full-frame. It just does not work that way. Any one who has spent
>>>>> time in a dark room has experienced the process of just HOW to crop a
>>>>> decent negative. A lot of poor pictures produce a great cropped image.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>> I never knew cropping could be such an emotional subject. I never
>>>> think about it, I just do it, both in the camera and later, as the
>>>> mood strikes me.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how all the famous painters of the past decided how to crop
>>>> their paintings. Was it a result of the size of the canvas they could
>>>> afford, the dimensions of the wall or ceiling they were working on,
>>>> the size of frames available (if there were ready-made frames), or what?
>>>>
>>>> DAW
>>>
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