Gene, Of course, that is an obvious situation we have all experienced. But that is a matter of improving a picture, not of turning a poor picture into a great picture. That is what I was disputing, not merely making an improvement in a picture. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Johnson To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Marvin Wallace and I Disagree Robert, I will cite just one example of how a mediocre photo can be greatly improved by cropping. It often happens that we cannot control the distance to the subject, and do not posses the ideal focal length lens to get the subject to exactly the size we want on the finished frame. Often we are left with significant amounts of very impertinent material on our negative. The solution is to crop it off. Usually I am thinking this as I trip the shutter. I probably have a pretty good idea what I'm going to crop as I take it. Does this make any sense to you? On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Robert Meier <robertmeier@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: If we are arguing the facts, why do I have to trust you? Do you work for the current administration? You'll give me four examples of poor pictures that have been turned into great pictures by cropping? Trust me, they weren't poor pictures to begin with, or they aren't great pictures after cropping. Robert At 08:57 PM 9/24/2008, Robert Meier wrote: >Correction: A few, very few, poor pictures have produced great cropped >images. Well, let's not argue the facts. Trsut me, what I stated is the case. Pay me $US 1,500 and I will provide the details but, at the nonece, I am trying to find a souce for money so , if you do not choose to pay, well, you fall back into the "is-was" bin, that of the losers. Pay me, and I'll give you four examples. Marc msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir! --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list -- Be Just and Fear Not