I’m checking with BLM on the permissibility of filling-in ruts. But…please do
not modify the access roads for ROC. Its not you going to Federal Prison that
we worry about (that’s your concern), but we could lose our permit and launch
site if we get too far out on the edge of what’s allowable.
I agree that it makes sense, but bureaucracies rarely make sense, I work with
one every single day.
Thanks.
Allen
On Jun 10, 2015, at 8:12 AM, R Dierking <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Probably the best time would be in the fall after some rain comes through.
Maybe make the move right before November ROCstock? Soft ground would make
it easier to move the dirt around. I know people are not suppose to make
improvements or build structures, but personally, I’m not worried about going
to federal prison because I filled some ruts on an existing access road.
From: Kurt Gugisberg <mailto:kurtgug@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:04 AM
To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I agree, Richard. A little shovel work could fill in the major ruts on the
shortcut road. That would make access so much easier to the back of the
flight line.
Kurt
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 7:45 AM, R Dierking <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx>>wrote:
Like all of Mike’s information, thorough and accurate.
I suggest we seriously consider improving the ‘new’ turnoff from 247. It’s a
straight shot, so faster with less dirt road and safer to use during launch
operations because vehicles would not be travelling on the east side of the
range and close to the minimum distance for HP from the right side pads.
Again, it would also reduce the chance that someone would inadvertently cut
across the range when arriving at night.
First ‘fix’ the road, then move the turnoff post. Then, the existing turnoff
becomes the alternate.
From: kramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 9:01 PM
To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Attached is the map I put together for ROCtober.
Mike K
On 6/9/2015 6:35 PM, R Dierking wrote:
Maybe we should actually be encouraging people to take this new road and they
could level it out. <emoji_u1f609.png> Remember the North-South access road
wasn’t much of a road at first. Then the ruts filled themselves and the road
became compacted and a little wider. However, there are too many turns on
the current route and people cutting across the range is a worry. Dodo Road
is a straight shot and pizza delivery would be faster.
Also, if David reposted and asked people not to drink water and not eat
before they came to the lakebed, we could probably get by with one portable
toilet.
From: R Dierking <mailto:applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 5:00 PM
To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I was going to place them back from the highway but good point Kurt.
So, I'll stand down on this and we'll see if there are any horror stories.
I'll take the high road and you take the low one and I'll be at ROCstock
before ya.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 9, 2015, at 3:35 PM, "Kurt Gugisberg" <kurtgug@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:kurtgug@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Yes, I guess I left out the "that" and a comma but the way I wrote it is true
too. ;-)
I'm afraid if you put the cones out, people will think that it is the main
entrance and will want to turn there. The cones may actually get more people
stuck. Maybe it is best to leave it as it is and let the people use it who
know it is there and are willing to chance it.
Kurt
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 11:59 AM, R Dierking <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
So, it’s official. (Wait a minute…) In keeping with the long-standing “We
don’t need no stinking badges” rule and my past experience with Cal
Trans-type work, I’ll place 5 orange cones with reflectors spaced at 10’
along the “exit”. That way, if someone wants to shoot between them they can.
Also, with enough velocity off the highway, they should get enough air to
clear the tops.
Also, the exit is now the Dodo Turnoff.
Darn it, I should have submitted a dodo holding a Punisher for the ROCstock
T-shirt design. The motto could have been “Doom on You”
LOL, I just noticed your first sentence. I think you missed a punctuation
mark: “Oh, I don’t know about Richard.”
From: Kurt Gugisberg <mailto:kurtgug@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 11:41 AM
To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Oh I don't know about Richard. I think that after the first one gets stuck,
no one else could get by. Well maybe the real big idiots. But then do we
want them flying rockets anyway?
Kurt
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:31 AM, R Dierking <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I just got an image of a bunch of RV’s stacked up at the exit. OMG; thank
you David. LOL
Remember the Dodo scene in the movie Ice Age:
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dodos+in+movie+ice+age&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=077E805EB888E415C59F077E805EB888E415C59F
<http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dodos+in+movie+ice+age&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=077E805EB888E415C59F077E805EB888E415C59F>
With everyone’s permission, I would like to name this access, “Dodo Road”
From: David Erbas-White <mailto:derbas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 10:22 AM
To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On 6/9/2015 9:48 AM, R Dierking wrote:
I dunno about needing to place signs. I've always been a great fan of
Darwinism... If enough folks decide to travel the road without checking, or
decide not to turn around and go the way that's listed on the website, I kind
of think that's on them... <G>
David Erbas-White
The thing about signs (and believe me, I know about signs) is that someone
has to make them, place them, and pick them up. The lettering would have to
be big enough, and then there’s placing it; the ground is really hard along
the highway.
The good thing about cones is usually people think twice before crossing
them. Good thing for me because I use cones when working out in traffic.
From: David Reese <mailto:dareese@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 9:46 AM
To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I use this access road regularly with my truck, and I imagine a lot of other
people do too. It saves a lot of time.
If there's a need to mark this as "not the entrance", what if we put up a
sign that says "ROC Launch Entrance ↑" to strongly encourage people to use
the "Cambria Rd" entry? That way, if your vehicle has clearance for the first
road, you can still use it, but less-experienced folks (i.e., the ones who
will probably get stuck) will go on down to the main road.
The worst cross-road rut is the one right next to 247, BTW. If you can clear
that one you can make it all the way to the site :-)
--david
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 9:20 AM, R Dierking <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx>>wrote:
OK, then maybe this one should be ‘closed’ with cones or a warning at the
turnoff.
If you have never been to a launch before and coming from the south on the
highway, it does look like it’s the turnoff, and now more tracks are making
this exit more visible. Just don’t want someone damaging their RV by taking
‘the road less traveled.’ Cones could be spaced adequately for people that
really want to use the south access.
If the Board would like to do this, I would be happy to donate about 5 cones
and place them, but I will not be arriving until Saturday morning.
From: David Erbas-White <mailto:derbas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 9:19 AM
To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On 6/9/2015 9:11 AM, R Dierking wrote:
I still would not recommend using the 'new' (southern) road. Yes, more
people are using it, but I've seen a number of people have 'bottoming out'
damage when I was out there in March/April.
David Erbas-White
I think you can use Google Earth to locate the coordinates. Also, more
people have been using the turnoff that’s south of the usual one. In the
past, the ruts were bad on this access but maybe they are better currently.
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From: Jim - TFJ <mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:53 AM
To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Does anyone have the GPS coordinates for the turn off of Hwy 247?
Yes, I know the ones for the rangehead.
Jim G.
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