[roc-chat] Re: Turn on to lakebed.

From: Kurt Gugisberg <kurtgug@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 08:04:46 -0700

I agree, Richard. A little shovel work could fill in the major ruts on the
shortcut road. That would make access so much easier to the back of the
flight line.

Kurt

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 7:45 AM, R Dierking <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Like all of Mike’s information, thorough and accurate.

I suggest we seriously consider improving the ‘new’ turnoff from 247.
It’s a straight shot, so faster with less dirt road and safer to use during
launch operations because vehicles would not be travelling on the east side
of the range and close to the minimum distance for HP from the right side
pads. Again, it would also reduce the chance that someone would
inadvertently cut across the range when arriving at night.

First ‘fix’ the road, then move the turnoff post. Then, the
existing turnoff becomes the alternate.

*From:* kramer@xxxxxxxxxxxx
*Sent:* ‎Tuesday‎, ‎June‎ ‎9‎, ‎2015 ‎9‎:‎01‎ ‎PM
*To:* roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Attached is the map I put together for ROCtober.

Mike K

On 6/9/2015 6:35 PM, R Dierking wrote:

Maybe we should actually be encouraging people to take this new road and
they could level it out. [image: 😉] Remember the North-South access
road wasn’t much of a road at first. Then the ruts filled themselves and
the road became compacted and a little wider. However, there are too many
turns on the current route and people cutting across the range is a worry.
Dodo Road is a straight shot and pizza delivery would be faster.

Also, if David reposted and asked people not to drink water and not eat
before they came to the lakebed, we could probably get by with one portable
toilet.

*From:* R Dierking <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* ‎Tuesday‎, ‎June‎ ‎9‎, ‎2015 ‎5‎:‎00‎ ‎PM
*To:* roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

I was going to place them back from the highway but good point Kurt.
So, I'll stand down on this and we'll see if there are any horror stories.

I'll take the high road and you take the low one and I'll be at ROCstock
before ya.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 9, 2015, at 3:35 PM, "Kurt Gugisberg" <kurtgug@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Yes, I guess I left out the "that" and a comma but the way I wrote it
is true too. ;-)

I'm afraid if you put the cones out, people will think that it is the
main entrance and will want to turn there. The cones may actually get more
people stuck. Maybe it is best to leave it as it is and let the people use
it who know it is there and are willing to chance it.

Kurt

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 11:59 AM, R Dierking <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

So, it’s official. (Wait a minute…) In keeping with the
long-standing “We don’t need no stinking badges” rule and my past
experience with Cal Trans-type work, I’ll place 5 orange cones with
reflectors spaced at 10’ along the “exit”. That way, if someone wants to
shoot between them they can. Also, with enough velocity off the highway,
they should get enough air to clear the tops.

Also, the exit is now the Dodo Turnoff.

Darn it, I should have submitted a dodo holding a Punisher for the
ROCstock T-shirt design. The motto could have been “Doom on You”

LOL, I just noticed your first sentence. I think you missed a
punctuation mark: “Oh, I don’t know about Richard.”

*From:* Kurt Gugisberg <kurtgug@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* ‎Tuesday‎, ‎June‎ ‎9‎, ‎2015 ‎11‎:‎41‎ ‎AM
*To:* roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Oh I don't know about Richard. I think that after the first one gets
stuck, no one else could get by. Well maybe the real big idiots. But then
do we want them flying rockets anyway?

Kurt

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:31 AM, R Dierking <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

I just got an image of a bunch of RV’s stacked up at the exit. OMG;
thank you David. LOL

Remember the Dodo scene in the movie Ice Age:
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dodos+in+movie+ice+age&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=077E805EB888E415C59F077E805EB888E415C59F

With everyone’s permission, I would like to name this access, “Dodo
Road”

*From:* David Erbas-White <derbas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* ‎Tuesday‎, ‎June‎ ‎9‎, ‎2015 ‎10‎:‎22‎ ‎AM
*To:* roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

On 6/9/2015 9:48 AM, R Dierking wrote:

I dunno about needing to place signs. I've always been a great fan of
Darwinism... If enough folks decide to travel the road without checking,
or decide not to turn around and go the way that's listed on the website, I
kind of think that's on them... <G>

David Erbas-White

The thing about signs (and believe me, I know about signs) is that
someone has to make them, place them, and pick them up. The lettering
would have to be big enough, and then there’s placing it; the ground is
really hard along the highway.
The good thing about cones is usually people think twice before crossing
them. Good thing for me because I use cones when working out in traffic.
[image:
😉]

*From:* David Reese <dareese@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* ‎Tuesday‎, ‎June‎ ‎9‎, ‎2015 ‎9‎:‎46‎ ‎AM
*To:* roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

I use this access road regularly with my truck, and I imagine a lot of
other people do too. It saves a lot of time.

If there's a need to mark this as "not the entrance", what if we put
up a sign that says "ROC Launch Entrance ↑" to strongly encourage people to
use the "Cambria Rd" entry? That way, if your vehicle has clearance for the
first road, you can still use it, but less-experienced folks (i.e., the
ones who will probably get stuck) will go on down to the main road.

The worst cross-road rut is the one right next to 247, BTW. If you can
clear that one you can make it all the way to the site :-)

--david

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 9:20 AM, R Dierking <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

OK, then maybe this one should be ‘closed’ with cones or a warning at
the turnoff.
If you have never been to a launch before and coming from the south on
the highway, it does look like it’s the turnoff, and now more tracks
are making this exit more visible. Just don’t want someone damaging their
RV by taking ‘the road less traveled.’ Cones could be spaced adequately
for people that really want to use the south access.

If the Board would like to do this, I would be happy to donate about
5 cones and place them, but I will not be arriving until Saturday morning.

*From:* David Erbas-White <derbas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* ‎Tuesday‎, ‎June‎ ‎9‎, ‎2015 ‎9‎:‎19‎ ‎AM
*To:* roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

On 6/9/2015 9:11 AM, R Dierking wrote:

I still would not recommend using the 'new' (southern) road. Yes, more
people are using it, but I've seen a number of people have 'bottoming out'
damage when I was out there in March/April.

David Erbas-White

I think you can use Google Earth to locate the coordinates. Also,
more people have been using the turnoff that’s south of the usual one. In
the past, the ruts were bad on this access but maybe they are better
currently.

Sent from Windows Mail

*From:* Jim - TFJ <jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* ‎Tuesday‎, ‎June‎ ‎9‎, ‎2015 ‎8‎:‎53‎ ‎AM
*To:* roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Does anyone have the GPS coordinates for the turn off of Hwy 247?

Yes, I know the ones for the rangehead.

Jim G.

References:
- [roc-chat] Re: [roc-chat] Re: Turn on to lakebed.
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[roc-chat] Re: Turn on to lakebed.

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