Hi, Over the weekend I noticed that I might have "learned" the opposite of Jurgen's steer technique: I usually steer with my hands - when I let go and try to use just my hips, I nearly lose control. I'm trying to learn the hips-only feel, but it is a motion counter to using the handlebars. When I take my hands off, it's like my hips want to do the exact opposite of what is rally needed. Relatedly, I also tried putting the high handlebars (see http://rjs.org/gallery/python_2.jpg) back on for one spin. Even though I am used to steering with my hands, it was not controllable - the motion is too side-to-side. Ironically, it seemed to be a motion that coincided with the required hip motion, which I don't have down yet. Maybe if I learned to use the bars that way I could ride no-hands also. I think that the stem would have to be much longer and bring the bars in line with the pivot to seem near "normal". I'll try that too. Ray ============================================================ This is the Python Mailinglist at freelists.org Listmaster: Juergen Mages jmages@xxxxxx ============================================================