I use primarily Ilford Multigrade and have the Thomas FCD filter which according to the manufacturer is designed for use with "some color print materials." My darkroom is more than sufficiently lit, and I've run extended fog tests with allowable exposure up to 30 minutes before perceptible fog. I had a lot of problems with the B&W filter set for the Thomas; the same I believe as the KODAK OC filter, though Thomas has a different code on it. It would begin to fog within just beyond normal print/dev times. I just checked and the FCD filter set is a special order at B&H. By the way, if you're looking at used filters, the FCD come with black tape on the edges, and the OC filters I think have green tape on them. Bob Younger -----Original Message----- From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Georges Giralt Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 6:45 AM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: safe light Hi ! Orange light is "a coumpound color" so it can/may fall into the paper's sensibility zone. Often, red fall outside this sensibility zone. The problem is that our eyes are far less sensitive to red than to orange, so for comfort we often choose orange over red. But orange safelight will fog most B&W multigrade papers. the Forte, Foma and maybe Efke (I can't tell for sure, as I do not use them, but if they ask for red...) If you still want to use orange and keep your contrast correct and the paper's margin white, the light level will be so dimm that you'd better turn the safelight off and save the electricity.... Just my 2 cents. Selon Bogdan Karasek <bkarasek@xxxxxxxxxxxx>: ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.