I used it. However, the number is misleading since Agfa numbers were
advanced one over Kodak, i.e. Agfa No6 was the same as Kodak No.5 and
Agfa "normal" contrast was No.3. At some point Agfa changed this
numbering to agree with other manufacturers. Probably in the 1980s or
even later.
On 10/19/2017 10:59 AM, Richard Lahrson wrote:
Hi,
Brovira was available in very hard contrast, number 6 here in the US
and labeled 'extra hard' in Europe in the early 60s. Really nothing like
it before or since.
Rich
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 4:26 AM, bobkiss caribsurf.com <http://caribsurf.com> <bobkiss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bobkiss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
DEAR RICHARD,
Having attended RIT I had the pleasure of knowing many people
who had worked, were working, or would work for Kodak (Admin,
professors, and fellow students). They made it quite clear that
they had always written everything down but that everything was
highly protected as trade secrets. Someone who was in my graduate
photo sci classes in the early 70s visited Barbados a few years
ago and retired from Kodak soon after. He decried the banning of
cadmium from photo papers because it seems that, within limits,
the more you used in the paper emulsion, the warmer was the tone
without post fix toning. Even though he had proved that none of
the cadmium was freed in the processing (tightly bound in the
paper) they stopped using it to avoid problems with the govt
bureaucracy. Sad, really. I am totally in favor of making our
processes as "green" as possible but, when it has been proved that
nothing harmful would be released into the environment, they
should leave it alone. Oh, well...
CHEERS!
BOB
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*Subject: *[pure-silver] Re: Paper Recommendation?
Agfa made some extremely interesting papers. I was also a fan of
Brovira and Portriga. I used the Ansco versions of these papers
and later when Agfa sold directly in the US I discovered that the
papers smelled the same. Agfa and Ansco had a very distinctive
odor. They made some excellent papers but could never match Kodak
for uniformity of surfaces and lack of frilling or cockling.
Ansco's version of Portriga was Indiatone, a slow, very warm
tone, projection paper that could also be used for fast contact
printing. Toned beautifully and was as warm as Kodak Opal. They
also made an excellent neutral tone contact paper called Cykon,
IMO better than Azo. I am not sure what the AGFA name was for it,
maybe the same. Probably the warmest contact paper I ever saw was
Kodak Athena, almost brown without toning. I am sure the secrets
for making all this stuff were never written down and are now
forever lost.
On 10/18/2017 10:26 PM, Jeffrey Thorns wrote:
Looks like B&H can get Foma special order....
(Speaking of old papers, I will never get over the loss of
Bovira and Portriga. Portriga in Kodak Brown Toner was
chocolate on paper...)
Asmo Saarikoski wrote:
Foma: Fomabrom C112 (graded) and Fomabrom Variant 112
(variable contrast)
Ilford: Multigrade FB Classic 5K and Multigrade ART 300
-- Richard Knoppow
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