[pure-silver] Re: Old film that needs to be flattened

  • From: Ken Hart <kwhart1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 17:41:45 -0500

Unless I'm mistaken (I've been mistaken before!), "safety film" refers to the flammability of the film base, and has nothing to do with a safe light for processing.

From Google/Wiki: "Cellulose acetate film, or safety film, is used in photography as a base material for photographic emulsions. It was introduced in the early 20th century by film manufacturers and intended as a safe film base replacement for unstable and highly flammable nitrate film."

Ken Hart
kwhart1@xxxxxxxxxxxx

On 3/5/20 4:50 PM, mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Had that happen once too.  In that case though I knew what was on it, and although there might have been some interesting flower pictures lost, that would not be nearly as bad a losing one that had your great grandmother on it when she was young.

I'm wondering if a film scanner that feeds from the sprockets could get the film flat enough.  My flat bed with its holder I am sure wouldn't.  Got two labs that might be able to do it.  Anyone recognize 3LIM or 31IM?  It is a safety film, which might mean this film could have been processed under a safe light.  My search has turned up nothing.  Just knowing that might be an important piece of information.

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    Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Old film that needs to be flattened
    From: "Laurence Cuffe" <dmarc-noreply-outsider@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:dmarc-noreply-outsider@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> (Redacted
    sender "cuffe" for DMARC)
    Date: Wed, March 04, 2020 7:06 pm
    To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>



    On 5 Mar 2020, at 00:21, mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

    Doing a project with very old family photos.  I have a strip of
    35mm negative that on it says safety ILM 3 I think it is, but
    that isn't the biggest problem.  It was over the years creased
    like paper that had been folded. Some of the folds are through
    the middle of the image.  Any way to flatten.

    I have no idea what is one them. Judging from the prints found
    with it, I would wager a best guess of about 50 years.  They
    don't appear to be scratched up.

    First idea is to contact print them with glass on top to see what
    I have.  I could probably copy them from a contact print, but
    would rather have the wet print if possible. Would leaving them
    sandwiched between two plates of glass with some weight on top do
    any good. Though about soaking them, but thought better of that
    pretty quickly.  Might or might not help. Ideas and thanks everyone

    I’d second your instinct that soaking might not be ideal. I have
    had some poor experiences where old emulsion just sloughed off the
    substrate when trying to clean old negatives with water.
    Best
    Laurence Cuffe


    
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