Jacob, We've had some difficulty with screen readers and the NetBeans generated installers and have been talking to the NetBeans team about it. Unfortunately, those tools are brand new in NetBeans 6.9 and there are some bugs being worked out, related to accessibility and other issues. Feel free to file a ticket with the NetBeans team for specific issues. They will almost certainly fix them, as I know those installers are being improved in the 6.9.1 release. You can file tickets on that here: http://netbeans.org/community/issues.html In the meantime, you can also download a zip file (with no installer), that we've put up specifically because of the installer issues. You can get that here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/sodbeans/files/Sodbeans/Sodbeans_1_0/sodbeans.zip/download Your mileage may vary, but hopefully that works for you. After unzipping, there's an executable in the \bin folder to start sodbeans. Stefik __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind