Re: Seeking someone to compile 32-bit version of NFBTrans
- From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:24:32 -0500
Jamal,
The translation tables should be in the Windows binary. In fact they
should be found automatically. To get good results, use the xml2brl
program rather than the liblouis test programs. for example:
xml2brl -b founding.brf founding.txt
xml2brl uses liblouisxml with built-in configuration files to get good
formatted braille. Formatting anc translation can be changed by
specifying a configuration file with the -f option.
Let me know if you have more questionsj.
John
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 04:48:19PM -0400, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
> Thanks, John. That Windows distribution did not seem to include
> translation tables, so should I use those in the tables subdirectory of
> the latest liblouis distribution? I tried that and it seemed to work
> except for an unexpected amount of garbage characters when I back
> translated a file as compared to NFBTrans. I may not be using the optimum
> techniques, however, so would appreciate any tips.
>
> Specifically, I downloaded the free .brf file containing the Declaration
> of Independence and Constitution from the National Braille Press page at
>
> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/downloads.html
>
> Since it has an abbreviated file name that is hard to remember, I
> renamed it to founding.brf. I then back translated with the following
> command:
>
> lou_translate.exe -b en-us-g2.ctb <founding.brf >founding.txt
>
> If you want to compare output with NFBTrans, use Control+Shift+O in
> EdSharp. I did some fine tuning of parameters in the call to NFBTrans
> via a configuration file, but it's been long enough that I do not recall
> what.
>
> By the way, the Windows binaries get unarchived into a 2.0 subdirectory
> whereas the latest liblouis seems to be 1.8. Can you clarify?
>
> Jamal
> On Fri, 30
> Jul 2010, John J. Boyer wrote:
>
> >Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:32:13 -0500
> >From: John J. Boyer <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: Re: Seeking someone to compile 32-bit version of NFBTrans
> >
> >There is a version of liblouis and liblouisxml for Windows. Look on the
> >downloads page of http://www.abilitiessoft.com It is not the most recent
> >version, but it will do most things. It does not depend on Cygwin. It
> >was compiled using a combination of MinGW and msys. There was a problem
> >linking the most recent version, which we hope to overcome. The new
> >project, BrailleBlaster, will work on Windows, Mac and Linux.
> >
> >John
> >
> >On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 01:35:13PM -0400, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
> >>Yes, the Unicode and multi-language support would be advantages over
> >>NFBTrans. For English users, those features may not matter. Based on a
> >>Google search on
> >>liblouis windows
> >>
> >>compiling on Windows has not been successful so far, even with cygwin,
> >>which I would not want the executable to depend on.
> >>
> >>Jamal
> >>
> >>On Fri, 30 Jul 2010,
> >>Ken Perry wrote:
> >>
> >>>Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:54:49 -0400
> >>>From: Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>Subject: RE: Seeking someone to compile 32-bit version of NFBTrans
> >>>
> >>>It will compile on windows they are trying to get someone to make a
> >>>windows
> >>>release of it. It would compile quite easy if someone wanted to do it.
> >>>Much easier Than NFBtrans. In fact it probably has a lot more good stuff
> >>>than NFZBtrans. For example uni code support and multiple language
> >>>support.
> >>>
> >>>Ken
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
> >>>Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:39 AM
> >>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>Subject: RE: Seeking someone to compile 32-bit version of NFBTrans
> >>>
> >>>liblouis is a good project, but in the latest distribution from
> >>>http://code.google.com/p/liblouis/
> >>>
> >>>I could not find any executable that runs on Windows. The documentation
> >>>mentions a Windows DLL, but that is not included in the distribution
> >>>either, nor is there documentation about how to use it. In general, the
> >>>project appears to be Linux-oriented. Also, there are Python bindings,
> >>>but they do not include support for the back translation part of the
> >>>liblouis API (going from a .brf string to plain text).
> >>>
> >>>For these reasons, I used NFBTrans as a converter in EdSharp, and am now
> >>>hoping that I can get a version that runs on Win64 (by compiling it as
> >>>32-bit rather than 16-bit).
> >>>
> >>>If any C programmers can use the liblouis source code to create a 32-bit
> >>>Windows executable, including back translation support, please go for it
> >>>and share your results. Such a translator would probably be better than
> >>>NFBTrans, but since the latter already existed as a 16-bit Windows
> >>>executable, I thought it may be easier for voluntary C programmers to
> >>>start from there.
> >>>
> >>>Jamal
> >>>
> >>>On Fri, 30 Jul 2010, Ken Perry wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:03:45 -0400
> >>>>From: Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>Subject: RE: Seeking someone to compile 32-bit version of NFBTrans
> >>>>
> >>>>Is there a reason your going back to an old bit of source when Liblouis
> >>>>is
> >>>>maintained so well?
> >>>>
> >>>>Ken
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
> >>>>Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 7:22 AM
> >>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>Cc: Arthur Pirika
> >>>>Subject: Re: Seeking someone to compile 32-bit version of NFBTrans
> >>>>
> >>>>Cool -- thanks for working on this. Hopefully, the result can be a
> >>>>better NFBTrans, not just a 32-bit compatible one.
> >>>>
> >>>>Jamal
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On 7/30/2010 7:02 AM, Arthur Pirika wrote:
> >>>>>I've also taken a look at this code, and while it does seem pretty
> >>>>>portable, the only part that looked fishy at first was an asm file, but
> >>>>>all it does is pc speaker sound output.
> >>>>>However, the code's a wash with #defines, #ifdef DOS's and unixes,
> >>>>>djgpp's, etc. Also, for instance, it sets some hard limits on path
> >>>>>lengths. 127 if it's dos, and 1024 if it's unix. Btw, I'm looking into
> >>>>>this with open watcom, using it's win32 compilers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Just some thoughts,
> >>>>>Arthur.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>Cc: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:38 PM
> >>>>>Subject: Re: Seeking someone to compile 32-bit version of NFBTrans
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Thanks. Please share any notes from your efforts. If you run into a
> >>>>>>problem and report it here, someone else may be able to help.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Jamal
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>On 7/29/2010 10:32 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> >>>>>>>Hi,
> >>>>>>>I'll try it via VS2008 (I have 32-bit machine).
> >>>>>>>Cheers,
> >>>>>>>Joseph
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal
> >>>Mazrui
> >>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 4:33 AM
> >>>>>>>To: programmingblind
> >>>>>>>Subject: Seeking someone to compile 32-bit version of NFBTrans
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>NFBTrans is a free, open source braille translator available at
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>http://www.nfb.org/nfb/nfbtrans.asp
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>The last version released is a 16-bit process, so will not run on
> >>>64-bit
> >>>>>>>Windows. I am looking for a C programmer who can compile a 32-bit
> >>>>>>>version using the included source code. The distribution does include
> >>>>>>>make files for Unix-like systems, so my hope is that the code is
> >>>written
> >>>>>>>in a portable enough manner that a skilled C programmer would be able
> >>>to
> >>>>>>>recompile it for platforms of today without much difficulty.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Can anyone do this via MinGW, or if not, with another C compiler? I
> >>>>>>>would gladly post an updated distribution for anyone to use freely.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>As an option in the Open Other Format command, Control+Shift+O,
> >>>>>>>EdSharp
> >>>>>>>uses the existing NFBTrans for back translation of .brf or .brl files
> >>>>>>>into plain text (e.g., books downloaded from BookShare or NLS). This
> >>>>>>>does not work on Win64, however.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Jamal
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