Re: Seeking someone to compile 32-bit version of NFBTrans
- From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 10:18:01 -0500
Jamal,
What command line did you use? You shouldn't need to specify the
translation table. Try
xml2brl -b founding.brf founding.txt
What output does this line give?
In the directory in which you unzipped the binary try
bin/xml2brl -b founding.brf founding.txt
Please let me know the results.
Thanks,
John
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:33:14AM -0400, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
> I mistakenly assumed that xml2brl.exe required an input file in XML
> format. Here are my results now:
>
> * The translation table is not found when a binary is run from the bin
> directory.
>
> * I did find the translation tables in a subdirectory of the shared
> directory.
>
> * Just copying en-us-g2.ctb, the file specified on the command line in
> my example, does not work. Evidently, other files are needed as well.
> After copying all files in the tables subdirectory, the binary ram
> without error messages.
>
> * The conversion with xml2brf.exe did back translate better than
> lou_translate.exe. In terms of character translation errors, the only
> thing I notice is that a series of double quotes appears in each line of
> the table of contents between the section name and page number.
> NFBTrans uses periods instead, which I think is correct. For example,
>
> Preamble .............. 13
>
> as opposed to
>
> Preamble """""""""""""" 13
>
> I regard this as minor since the table of contents only appears at the
> beginning of a document.
>
> * Oddly, line endings were better in EdSharp with the output from
> lou_translate. xml2brl had no line endings -- lines just ran together.
> When I opened the same file in Notepad, however, line endings were
> correct, so I think that is an EdSharp problem, which I am investigating.
>
> So, this is a definite improvement. A few questions are as follows:
>
> * What specific files are needed for an English back translation in
> addition to en-us-g2.ctb?
>
> * What .dll files are needed for xml2brl.exe to work? (I notice several
> in the bin directory and want to copy only what is needed.)
>
> * Do you have any idea why I am not getting line endings in EdSharp,
> even though it is recognizing the file as UTF-8?
>
> Thanks,
> Jamal
>
> On 7/30/2010 5:24 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
> >Jamal,
> >
> >The translation tables should be in the Windows binary. In fact they
> >should be found automatically. To get good results, use the xml2brl
> >program rather than the liblouis test programs. for example:
> >xml2brl -b founding.brf founding.txt
> >
> >xml2brl uses liblouisxml with built-in configuration files to get good
> >formatted braille. Formatting anc translation can be changed by
> >specifying a configuration file with the -f option.
> >
> >Let me know if you have more questionsj.
> >
> >John
> >
> >On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 04:48:19PM -0400, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
> >>Thanks, John. That Windows distribution did not seem to include
> >>translation tables, so should I use those in the tables subdirectory of
> >>the latest liblouis distribution? I tried that and it seemed to work
> >>except for an unexpected amount of garbage characters when I back
> >>translated a file as compared to NFBTrans. I may not be using the optimum
> >>techniques, however, so would appreciate any tips.
> >>
> >>Specifically, I downloaded the free .brf file containing the Declaration
> >>of Independence and Constitution from the National Braille Press page at
> >>
> >>http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/downloads.html
> >>
> >>Since it has an abbreviated file name that is hard to remember, I
> >>renamed it to founding.brf. I then back translated with the following
> >>command:
> >>
> >>lou_translate.exe -b en-us-g2.ctb<founding.brf>founding.txt
> >>
> >>If you want to compare output with NFBTrans, use Control+Shift+O in
> >>EdSharp. I did some fine tuning of parameters in the call to NFBTrans
> >>via a configuration file, but it's been long enough that I do not recall
> >>what.
> >>
> >>By the way, the Windows binaries get unarchived into a 2.0 subdirectory
> >>whereas the latest liblouis seems to be 1.8. Can you clarify?
> >>
> >>Jamal
> >>On Fri, 30
> >>Jul 2010, John J. Boyer wrote:
> >>
> >>>Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:32:13 -0500
> >>>From: John J. Boyer<john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>Subject: Re: Seeking someone to compile 32-bit version of NFBTrans
> >>>
> >>>There is a version of liblouis and liblouisxml for Windows. Look on the
> >>>downloads page of http://www.abilitiessoft.com It is not the most recent
> >>>version, but it will do most things. It does not depend on Cygwin. It
> >>>was compiled using a combination of MinGW and msys. There was a problem
> >>>linking the most recent version, which we hope to overcome. The new
> >>>project, BrailleBlaster, will work on Windows, Mac and Linux.
> >>>
> >>>John
> >>>
> >>>On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 01:35:13PM -0400, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
> >>>>Yes, the Unicode and multi-language support would be advantages over
> >>>>NFBTrans. For English users, those features may not matter. Based on a
> >>>>Google search on
> >>>>liblouis windows
> >>>>
> >>>>compiling on Windows has not been successful so far, even with cygwin,
> >>>>which I would not want the executable to depend on.
> >>>>
> >>>>Jamal
> >>>>
> >>>>On Fri, 30 Jul 2010,
> >>>>Ken Perry wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:54:49 -0400
> >>>>>From: Ken Perry<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>Subject: RE: Seeking someone to compile 32-bit version of NFBTrans
> >>>>>
> >>>>>It will compile on windows they are trying to get someone to make a
> >>>>>windows
> >>>>>release of it. It would compile quite easy if someone wanted to do it.
> >>>>>Much easier Than NFBtrans. In fact it probably has a lot more good
> >>>>>stuff
> >>>>>than NFZBtrans. For example uni code support and multiple language
> >>>>>support.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Ken
> >>>>>
> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal
> >>>>>Mazrui
> >>>>>Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:39 AM
> >>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>Subject: RE: Seeking someone to compile 32-bit version of NFBTrans
> >>>>>
> >>>>>liblouis is a good project, but in the latest distribution from
> >>>>>http://code.google.com/p/liblouis/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I could not find any executable that runs on Windows. The
> >>>>>documentation
> >>>>>mentions a Windows DLL, but that is not included in the distribution
> >>>>>either, nor is there documentation about how to use it. In general,
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>project appears to be Linux-oriented. Also, there are Python bindings,
> >>>>>but they do not include support for the back translation part of the
> >>>>>liblouis API (going from a .brf string to plain text).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>For these reasons, I used NFBTrans as a converter in EdSharp, and am
> >>>>>now
> >>>>>hoping that I can get a version that runs on Win64 (by compiling it as
> >>>>>32-bit rather than 16-bit).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>If any C programmers can use the liblouis source code to create a
> >>>>>32-bit
> >>>>>Windows executable, including back translation support, please go for
> >>>>>it
> >>>>>and share your results. Such a translator would probably be better
> >>>>>than
> >>>>>NFBTrans, but since the latter already existed as a 16-bit Windows
> >>>>>executable, I thought it may be easier for voluntary C programmers to
> >>>>>start from there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jamal
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Fri, 30 Jul 2010, Ken Perry wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:03:45 -0400
> >>>>>>From: Ken Perry<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>Subject: RE: Seeking someone to compile 32-bit version of NFBTrans
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Is there a reason your going back to an old bit of source when
> >>>>>>Liblouis
> >>>>>>is
> >>>>>>maintained so well?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Ken
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal
> >>>>>>Mazrui
> >>>>>>Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 7:22 AM
> >>>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>Cc: Arthur Pirika
> >>>>>>Subject: Re: Seeking someone to compile 32-bit version of NFBTrans
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Cool -- thanks for working on this. Hopefully, the result can be a
> >>>>>>better NFBTrans, not just a 32-bit compatible one.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Jamal
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>On 7/30/2010 7:02 AM, Arthur Pirika wrote:
> >>>>>>>I've also taken a look at this code, and while it does seem pretty
> >>>>>>>portable, the only part that looked fishy at first was an asm file,
> >>>>>>>but
> >>>>>>>all it does is pc speaker sound output.
> >>>>>>>However, the code's a wash with #defines, #ifdef DOS's and unixes,
> >>>>>>>djgpp's, etc. Also, for instance, it sets some hard limits on path
> >>>>>>>lengths. 127 if it's dos, and 1024 if it's unix. Btw, I'm looking
> >>>>>>>into
> >>>>>>>this with open watcom, using it's win32 compilers.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Just some thoughts,
> >>>>>>>Arthur.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui"<empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>Cc: "Joseph Lee"<joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:38 PM
> >>>>>>>Subject: Re: Seeking someone to compile 32-bit version of NFBTrans
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Thanks. Please share any notes from your efforts. If you run into a
> >>>>>>>>problem and report it here, someone else may be able to help.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Jamal
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>On 7/29/2010 10:32 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>I'll try it via VS2008 (I have 32-bit machine).
> >>>>>>>>>Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>Joseph
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal
> >>>>>Mazrui
> >>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 4:33 AM
> >>>>>>>>>To: programmingblind
> >>>>>>>>>Subject: Seeking someone to compile 32-bit version of NFBTrans
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>NFBTrans is a free, open source braille translator available at
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>http://www.nfb.org/nfb/nfbtrans.asp
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>The last version released is a 16-bit process, so will not run on
> >>>>>64-bit
> >>>>>>>>>Windows. I am looking for a C programmer who can compile a 32-bit
> >>>>>>>>>version using the included source code. The distribution does
> >>>>>>>>>include
> >>>>>>>>>make files for Unix-like systems, so my hope is that the code is
> >>>>>written
> >>>>>>>>>in a portable enough manner that a skilled C programmer would be
> >>>>>>>>>able
> >>>>>to
> >>>>>>>>>recompile it for platforms of today without much difficulty.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Can anyone do this via MinGW, or if not, with another C compiler? I
> >>>>>>>>>would gladly post an updated distribution for anyone to use freely.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>As an option in the Open Other Format command, Control+Shift+O,
> >>>>>>>>>EdSharp
> >>>>>>>>>uses the existing NFBTrans for back translation of .brf or .brl
> >>>>>>>>>files
> >>>>>>>>>into plain text (e.g., books downloaded from BookShare or NLS).
> >>>>>>>>>This
> >>>>>>>>>does not work on Win64, however.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Jamal
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