Hi Katherine, That's a wise statement. Jim -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 10:26 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: SQL Server 2008 R2 ManagerStudio I'm just saying that if I had both, I prefer to use both when the time is right, versus having no gui options at all. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 7:57 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: SQL Server 2008 R2 ManagerStudio Hi Katherine, With a text file, you get total accessibility. When you have to set some parameters yourself, you know exactly what you are doing to the server. And most of the time with a web server, once you set it, you are done for a while, so it's really a small thing. The Linux/UNIX people on this list use lots of command line stuff. Old dudes like I am started out with no GUI stuff to speak of. It's partly a preference thing, and partly a generational thing. And I honestly think that memorizing a few commands, if you have to use them a lot, makes you more efficient than plodding your way through a GUI interface. That said, I like GUI's. All of this stuff has its place. I feel that it's good to have an open mind and except things for what they are. That didn't sound quite right. Oh well. Jim -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 3:35 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: SQL Server 2008 R2 ManagerStudio Well I don't like Apache because it lacks a point-and-click interface. I think that Command line's nice, but I feel that you should be given a choice which you prefer, which Microsoft does that very well by offering either command line, GUI, or direct XML editing. I've had to edit XML in iis, and I just don't feel comfortable with configuring things via files. I'll do it if that's the only way to do it for a quick thing, but that's it. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 3:31 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: SQL Server 2008 R2 ManagerStudio loyalty and complexity? So the more complex the better I guess? I can have mysql up and running in minutes. Apache can be up and running in a similar amount of time. You know how long, with docs it took me to jump through the IIS hoops to do -anything-, with docs? On 8/4/2011 9:44 AM, Katherine Moss wrote: > I think it's due to both loyalty and complexity. > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, > James > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:31 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: SQL Server 2008 R2 ManagerStudio > > Hi Katherine, > You probably know that it's possible to run PHP with Internet Information > Server, right? I hope you are not preferring Microsoft over other solutions > because of brand loyalty. This, even though I know that Cobol is the best > language on earth, even better than English. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Katherine > Moss > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 9:53 AM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: SQL Server 2008 R2 ManagerStudio > > I'd definitely probably do that if it wasn't for my preference for Microsoft > products over others, and my preference for SQL Server's more vast set of > features built in. That's the only reason why I don't use PHP my admin. > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, > James > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 9:39 AM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: SQL Server 2008 R2 ManagerStudio > > Hi Katherine, > For MySQL, you would totally love PHPMyAdmin. You can do all kinds of neeto > stuff in your web browser and it's all accessible. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Katherine > Moss > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:52 AM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: SQL Server 2008 R2 ManagerStudio > > I was curious about that too, for I could never seem to manage to get the > command line client for SQL server working. MySQL, I could get it working > partially, but nothing more than that. Like viewing logs, and stuff like > that, I could never figure out which commands go where, so I just said screw > it and moved to microsoft's database. > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal > Mazrui > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:29 AM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Cc: Rodney Haynie > Subject: Re: SQL Server 2008 R2 ManagerStudio > > Hi Rodney, > I am curious which aspects of database administration you find more > productive with a GUI client, and which with a command-line client. > > Jamal > > > On 8/4/2011 7:17 AM, Rodney Haynie wrote: >> Well I guess people will have different experiences on different >> computers. That is often the case with so many hardware configurations. >> I know with VS2010 I was experiencing issues that other people were not. >> >> I say this because for what I use SSMS (2008 r2) for, I have no >> problems. I am not a DBA, but I use it for creating editing, deleting >> stored procedures, databases, tables, triggers, etc. >> >> I am in SSMS for multiple hours a day, mostly doing things like >> writing and executing SQL statements to query data. >> >> There are some small work-around I have found, but the tree view is >> not an issue at all for me. I can drill down through the server name, >> and go through databases, and tables, and columns within the tables, >> etc. I can then drill back upwards with no problems in the tree view. >> This is all with JAWS 12. I think I started using SSMS in SQL Server >> 2005 with JAWS 10. Before that I was using SQL Server 2000 mostly. >> >> My current computer is Windows 7 64 bit with JAWS 12. >> >> Take care. >> >> Rodney >> >> *From:*programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of >> *Katherine Moss >> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:28 PM >> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> *Subject:* RE: SQL Server 2008 R2 ManagerStudio >> >> From the experience I have with it, it's relatively accessible. The >> only pain in the neck you'll run into is that it has issues keeping >> you in the correct level of the tree view, and whenever you open a >> node, you can close it, but you have to log out of it and back in to >> see the node above it. Don't ask me why that is. It's a royal >> pain,but, it's workable. Maybe a few of us at once should report it >> considering it's been ignored for the past few years now. >> >> *From:*programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Mike >> Freeman >> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:21 PM >> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> *Subject:* SQL Server 2008 R2 ManagerStudio >> >> Any thoughts on accessibility of same with JAWS Version 12.x? >> >> T I A! >> >> Mike Freeman >> > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > This e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential and are intended > solely for use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If > you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately > and then delete it. 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