RE: .Net Framework Documentation
- From: "Katherine Moss" <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 13:14:10 -0400
The problem with mailing lists and forums is that they expect you to look it
up, then ask your questions.
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:43 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: .Net Framework Documentation
To be honest, the MS documentation is around the last place will look for
reference material.
Either the books provided by Jamal, or simple google searches, or code
example sites like codeproject, etc. generally seem better suited for me -
but on the other hand, with my recent sets of questions, maybe I'm a bit
confused, but that's also why have always liked mailing lists as the source
of hopefully finding/getting quick easy answers to queries.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
----- Original Message -----
From: Kerneels Roos <mailto:kerneels@xxxxxxxxx>
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: .Net Framework Documentation
Hi everyone,
I was just wondering how other people experienced working with the Microsoft
document explorer, and if people had some tips and tricks they were using to
make browsing the docs more economic and a more productive process. What I'm
saying is I -- for one -- was not blaming MS at all or complaining about it,
just looking for advice :-).
It's really getting old this thing that blind people complain about how
inaccesseble this or that piece of software is, as if we have this special
right to things being super easy for us. Well, we don't and it's a privilege
rather than a right if companies go to the expense of trying to make their
stuf more accessible. They have little or next to nothing to gain from
spending money on accessibility, yet they still do it, and try to do it well
even.
If you look at the "Help on Help" section in the MS document explorer for
example, you'll see that there are many accessibility features of that
program, like configurable keystrokes for example and everythin can be done
with a keystroke. This does not necessarily mean that the particular program
is easy to use if you can't click everywhere like fully sighted people does,
but it does mean that MS tried to make it workable if you can't see the
screen properly.
Wouldn't it be great if the blind programmer community could get known for
being super cooperative with companies in their drive to make their software
accessible by being nice, giving constructive critisism and each member of
the community going the extra mile themselves before opening their mounths
to complain? Wouldn't such a character prompt vendors to try harder and
harder to make their products inclusive?
And if company X produce very inaccessible software and efforts to make them
try a bit fails it should be seen as an opportunity for company Y to create
competing software that are in fact better and more accessible-- company Y
could add value.
I'm really impressed with many folks on this list that generously offer
their opinions and advice for free to even the silly questions. Let's all
try ask smarter questions and do our homework first. And if one happen to
ask a silly question, be ready to accept a silly response, and let's not
moan and complain -- life's too short.
OK, enough complaining about complaining!
Enjoy the adventure of programming!
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Katherine Moss <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I'm on 11.0.
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
Tyler
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:19 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: .Net Framework Documentation
They seem to work fine for me, what jaws are you both running? Rather than
blame microsoft right off, lets look a bit closer to home first.
----- Original Message -----
From: Katherine Moss <mailto:plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:14 AM
Subject: RE: .Net Framework Documentation
I'll tell you,
I have had the exact same issue with all of the .net rreferences stuff.
Even the new SDK docs aren't even accessible via document explorer. I don't
understand why Microsoft doesn't implement their own classes they have
provided for accessibility in their own software!
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kerneels Roos
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:51 AM
To: programmingblind
Subject: .Net Framework Documentation
Hi List,
Don't know about you guys, but I don't find the Microsoft .Net Framework
documentation browser, or the Microsoft Document Explorer that ships with
Visual Studio 2008 very accessible via JAWS. Yes, one can get at the
information, but it's not a smooth and simple process like with the older
style CHM files that works great with JAWS.
Does anyone know if all of that documentation, or at least just the .Net
Class Library reference is available in the old style CHM format? I've
searched a bit but could not get a conclusive, authoritive download as of
yet.
Maybe I'm missing something, but the current means by which I manage to
navigate it is not eficient at all. Much tabbing, moving around with the
JAWS cursor and so on...
If anyone is using the default help system any tips would be most welcome!
Regards
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Kerneels Roos
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