Hi, You can get the sapi5 installer from espeak.sourceforge.net/ any time you want to install more voices or variants just run the installer again. HTH Storm -- Vinux Publicity Coordinator: http://www.vinuxproject.org/ Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ How many Internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://goo.gl/eO4PJ My Blackberry is Broken: http://is.gd/my_blackberry_is_broken "Shine glorious we ride, we stare into the blackened sky. Save the last command, the virtue blinding." DragonForce On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 21:04 +0000, Katherine Moss wrote: > Okay thanks. I have it installed since it came with Klango, but there > was never an icon placed on the start menu via all programs for it. > > > > > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Storm > Dragon > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:01 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: NVDA and Eloquence > > > > > > Hi, > when you install it make sure the en-us variant is installed. If it is > not listed just add en-us i one of the provided text boxes. > HTH > storm > > -- > > > > Vinux Publicity Coordinator: http://www.vinuxproject.org/ > Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ > My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ > How many Internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a lightbulb? > http://goo.gl/eO4PJ > > ___________________________ > < Yeah yeah! That was cool! > > --------------------------- > \ __------~~-, > \ ,' , > / \ > / : > | ' > | | > | | > | _-- | > _| =-. .-. || > o|/o/ _. | > / ~ \ | > (____@) ___~ | > |_===~~~.` | > _______.--~ | > \________ | > \ | > __/-___-- -__ > / _ \ > > On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 20:55 +0000, Katherine Moss wrote: > > I think that the problem I have with ESpeak is the UK voice. That one > is not very clear, and I never saw anything good in it. Does it offer > more of an American voice that can be used instead? > > > > > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Storm Dragon > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:32 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: NVDA and Eloquence > > > > > > Hi, > Well, in all fareness, I never really did decide to push > myself with Elloquence. I made it up to 70, if I remember > correctly, in elloquence and just stayed at that setting. I > really decided to increase my listening rate once I started > using Espeak. After the initial shock of changing synths, I > really did come to believe that Espeak is easier to > understand. the outcome of your research will be very > interesting. > One complaint I have heard about Espeak is it has too much > treble. I personally like the treble and when I switched > briefly to voxin it sounded muffled to me, and it is probably > because I got used to the treble offered by espeak. I wonder > if a variant were made for espeak that cut down on the treble > if Elloquence users would find it more appealing? > Thanks > Storm > > -- > > > > > Vinux Publicity Coordinator: http://www.vinuxproject.org/ > Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ > My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ > How many Internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a > lightbulb? http://goo.gl/eO4PJ > My Blackberry is Broken: http://is.gd/my_blackberry_is_broken > "They pray to the heavens above that I will never ever come back" > Lordi > > > On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 13:18 -0400, Sina Bahram wrote: > > Storm, > > > > It’s interesting that you say that espeak is better at high > speeds than eloquence. I personally don’t believe this to be > the case, but also realized there’s no data on this in the > literature. > > > > I plan on conducting a study along these lines this semester > to really find out what the answers are, or at least, have > some solid data on them. > > > > Take care, > > Sina > > > > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Storm Dragon > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:59 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: NVDA and Eloquence > > > > > > Hi, > the specific reasons the Elloquence topic was banned from the > NVDA discussion list isw people were offering pirated copies, > telling how they themselves are using it illegally, and I was > getting a ton of complaints from people who were tired of > hearing about it. So, 2 thirds of the reasoning behind banning > the topic was actualy to protect members of the list. I > personaly don't care who uses it or how they got it, but I > don't want my list to be helpful in bringing action against > people who are smart enough to obtain it while not being smart > enough to keep that fact to themselves lol. Plus, the list > could be shutdown for allowing discussion of pirated software > if nothing was done about it. Besides, there is a synth that > is a whole lot better included with NVDA by default. I used to > use elloquence myself back when I used Windows and a nonfree > Windows Screen reader. Fortunately, wen I decided to switch to > Linux back in 2007, I did not find out that elloquence was > available for Linux in the form of Viavoice provided by voxin > for nearly 6 months. when I first installed it there was > Espeak and festival. the Espeak synth sounded better and could > go faster with less lag, so I became determined to use it. I > had to slow down from where I was with Eloquence, but week > after week I got faster and faster until I regained the speed, > then with a hack using the fast_test variant, I even surpassed > my Elloquence speeds. Today, thanks to the sonic code written > by Bill cox, it can go faster still and sound very clear. > After using Espeak for around 6 months, I found out about > Voxin. I actually did buy it. Even though it was only $5, I > regret that purchase, because I installed it, switched to it, > and with in 5 minutes switched back. It sounds too muffled, > and funnily enough, I then as now found espeak easier to > understand. So, I guess the ban on the elloquence has the > added binnifit of hopefully getting more people to try and > eventrually switch to espeak. This itself has several > advantages, 2 of which are, you can use it with pretty much > anything with out violating the license, and the developer is > far more responsive than Elloquence people. If a word caused > Espeak to crash I would be willing to bet a decent sum of > money that the bug would be fixed in a week's time after the > developer found out about it. I have know of words that crash > elloquence for years now, and more are discovered everyday. In > fact, someone told me there is actually an elloquence crash > word generator. You know, I wonder if that crash sequence > could somehow be exploited to run malicious code? It is, of > course, something to worry about. Well, this post is getting > rather long, so I guess I'll end here. > Thanks > Storm > > -- > > > > > > Vinux Publicity Coordinator: http://www.vinuxproject.org/ > Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ > My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ > How many Internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a > lightbulb? http://goo.gl/eO4PJ > My Blackberry is Broken: http://is.gd/my_blackberry_is_broken > "with a trunk big enough to fit three bodies in" > Calabrese > > > > On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 08:18 -0400, Ken Perry wrote: > > > > > > I would suppose the problem is Freedom has paid the licenses to use > eloquence and if you change the way they install eloquence by changing > registries you are breaking the license. Thus while technically its > illegal > I doubt anyone is going to come in in a black trench coat and take > your > computer. I would however point out that you can now buy a copy of > nvda for > like 10 bucks and get a much better experience with what used to be > ibm via > voice. > > ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal > Mazrui > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:37 AM > To: programmingblind > Subject: NVDA and Eloquence > > I am trying to understand the legal issues around use of NVDA with > the > Eloquence speech installed with JAWS. I have heard that it is > technically easy to make this work, thereby substantially improving > the > NVDA experience. On the blind-mozilla list, however, it was stated > that > this is absolutely illegal to do, and even discussion of the topic > was > prohibited on the list. I did not realize this was such a > controversial > topic, but trust that we can at least discuss it here, being careful > as > appropriate not to encourage particular actions. > > As I think we know, just because a company says that some activity is > an > impermissible use of software does not make it so. For example, I > have > heard of the "Jailbreak" issue with the iPhone, and that this has > been > deemed legal by an authoritative body, despite initial protests by a > company. Am I understanding that right? > > So, I am interested in any official statement that asserts the > illegality of using Eloquence with NVDA. Can someone point me to a > web > page? > > Please understand that I am not encouraging such activity, especially > since my knowledge of the topic is limited at present. I do think, > however, that if people are being told that something is absolutely > illegal that they deserve some kind of authoritative reference for > that > assertion, given the corresponding implication that one would be a > criminal to do so. > > Jamal > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >