RE: NVDA and Eloquence
- From: Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:04:53 +0000
Okay thanks. I have it installed since it came with Klango, but there was
never an icon placed on the start menu via all programs for it.
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Storm Dragon
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:01 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: NVDA and Eloquence
Hi,
when you install it make sure the en-us variant is installed. If it is not
listed just add en-us i one of the provided text boxes.
HTH
storm
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On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 20:55 +0000, Katherine Moss wrote:
I think that the problem I have with ESpeak is the UK voice. That one is not
very clear, and I never saw anything good in it. Does it offer more of an
American voice that can be used instead?
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On Behalf Of Storm Dragon
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:32 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: NVDA and Eloquence
Hi,
Well, in all fareness, I never really did decide to push myself with
Elloquence. I made it up to 70, if I remember correctly, in elloquence and just
stayed at that setting. I really decided to increase my listening rate once I
started using Espeak. After the initial shock of changing synths, I really did
come to believe that Espeak is easier to understand. the outcome of your
research will be very interesting.
One complaint I have heard about Espeak is it has too much treble. I personally
like the treble and when I switched briefly to voxin it sounded muffled to me,
and it is probably because I got used to the treble offered by espeak. I wonder
if a variant were made for espeak that cut down on the treble if Elloquence
users would find it more appealing?
Thanks
Storm
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On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 13:18 -0400, Sina Bahram wrote:
Storm,
It’s interesting that you say that espeak is better at high speeds than
eloquence. I personally don’t believe this to be the case, but also realized
there’s no data on this in the literature.
I plan on conducting a study along these lines this semester to really find out
what the answers are, or at least, have some solid data on them.
Take care,
Sina
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On Behalf Of Storm Dragon
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:59 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: NVDA and Eloquence
Hi,
the specific reasons the Elloquence topic was banned from the NVDA discussion
list isw people were offering pirated copies, telling how they themselves are
using it illegally, and I was getting a ton of complaints from people who were
tired of hearing about it. So, 2 thirds of the reasoning behind banning the
topic was actualy to protect members of the list. I personaly don't care who
uses it or how they got it, but I don't want my list to be helpful in bringing
action against people who are smart enough to obtain it while not being smart
enough to keep that fact to themselves lol. Plus, the list could be shutdown
for allowing discussion of pirated software if nothing was done about it.
Besides, there is a synth that is a whole lot better included with NVDA by
default. I used to use elloquence myself back when I used Windows and a nonfree
Windows Screen reader. Fortunately, wen I decided to switch to Linux back in
2007, I did not find out that elloquence was available for Linux in the form of
Viavoice provided by voxin for nearly 6 months. when I first installed it there
was Espeak and festival. the Espeak synth sounded better and could go faster
with less lag, so I became determined to use it. I had to slow down from where
I was with Eloquence, but week after week I got faster and faster until I
regained the speed, then with a hack using the fast_test variant, I even
surpassed my Elloquence speeds. Today, thanks to the sonic code written by Bill
cox, it can go faster still and sound very clear. After using Espeak for around
6 months, I found out about Voxin. I actually did buy it. Even though it was
only $5, I regret that purchase, because I installed it, switched to it, and
with in 5 minutes switched back. It sounds too muffled, and funnily enough, I
then as now found espeak easier to understand. So, I guess the ban on the
elloquence has the added binnifit of hopefully getting more people to try and
eventrually switch to espeak. This itself has several advantages, 2 of which
are, you can use it with pretty much anything with out violating the license,
and the developer is far more responsive than Elloquence people. If a word
caused Espeak to crash I would be willing to bet a decent sum of money that the
bug would be fixed in a week's time after the developer found out about it. I
have know of words that crash elloquence for years now, and more are discovered
everyday. In fact, someone told me there is actually an elloquence crash word
generator. You know, I wonder if that crash sequence could somehow be exploited
to run malicious code? It is, of course, something to worry about. Well, this
post is getting rather long, so I guess I'll end here.
Thanks
Storm
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On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 08:18 -0400, Ken Perry wrote:
I would suppose the problem is Freedom has paid the licenses to use
eloquence and if you change the way they install eloquence by changing
registries you are breaking the license. Thus while technically its illegal
I doubt anyone is going to come in in a black trench coat and take your
computer. I would however point out that you can now buy a copy of nvda for
like 10 bucks and get a much better experience with what used to be ibm via
voice.
ken
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:37 AM
To: programmingblind
Subject: NVDA and Eloquence
I am trying to understand the legal issues around use of NVDA with the
Eloquence speech installed with JAWS. I have heard that it is
technically easy to make this work, thereby substantially improving the
NVDA experience. On the blind-mozilla list, however, it was stated that
this is absolutely illegal to do, and even discussion of the topic was
prohibited on the list. I did not realize this was such a controversial
topic, but trust that we can at least discuss it here, being careful as
appropriate not to encourage particular actions.
As I think we know, just because a company says that some activity is an
impermissible use of software does not make it so. For example, I have
heard of the "Jailbreak" issue with the iPhone, and that this has been
deemed legal by an authoritative body, despite initial protests by a
company. Am I understanding that right?
So, I am interested in any official statement that asserts the
illegality of using Eloquence with NVDA. Can someone point me to a web
page?
Please understand that I am not encouraging such activity, especially
since my knowledge of the topic is limited at present. I do think,
however, that if people are being told that something is absolutely
illegal that they deserve some kind of authoritative reference for that
assertion, given the corresponding implication that one would be a
criminal to do so.
Jamal
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