Re: NVDA and Eloquence
- From: Storm Dragon <stormdragon2976@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:39:42 -0400
Hi,
Lol, I just figured out something that seems so simple that I wonder why
no one has thought of it before... First, I wonder if Viavoice is
available for purchase for NVDA? If not, couldn't someone write a Voxin
wrapper for NVDA? There are Linux apps written to use Windows only stuff
all the time, in fact there is even something called Wine that allows
for a lot of windows programs to be ran in Linux. So, for once the
reverse could be true, then, with that option, NVDA users could go
purchase a copy of Voxin for $5 and use Elloquence legally. this almost
sounds too easy to be doable, so what are the flaws in this idea?
thanks
Storm
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On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 13:32 -0400, Alphonso McFadden wrote:
>
>
> Which synth is that?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Storm Dragon
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:58 PM
> Subject: RE: NVDA and Eloquence
>
>
>
> Hi,
> the specific reasons the Elloquence topic was banned from the
> NVDA discussion list isw people were offering pirated copies,
> telling how they themselves are using it illegally, and I was
> getting a ton of complaints from people who were tired of
> hearing about it. So, 2 thirds of the reasoning behind banning
> the topic was actualy to protect members of the list. I
> personaly don't care who uses it or how they got it, but I
> don't want my list to be helpful in bringing action against
> people who are smart enough to obtain it while not being smart
> enough to keep that fact to themselves lol. Plus, the list
> could be shutdown for allowing discussion of pirated software
> if nothing was done about it. Besides, there is a synth that
> is a whole lot better included with NVDA by default. I used to
> use elloquence myself back when I used Windows and a nonfree
> Windows Screen reader. Fortunately, wen I decided to switch to
> Linux back in 2007, I did not find out that elloquence was
> available for Linux in the form of Viavoice provided by voxin
> for nearly 6 months. when I first installed it there was
> Espeak and festival. the Espeak synth sounded better and could
> go faster with less lag, so I became determined to use it. I
> had to slow down from where I was with Eloquence, but week
> after week I got faster and faster until I regained the speed,
> then with a hack using the fast_test variant, I even surpassed
> my Elloquence speeds. Today, thanks to the sonic code written
> by Bill cox, it can go faster still and sound very clear.
> After using Espeak for around 6 months, I found out about
> Voxin. I actually did buy it. Even though it was only $5, I
> regret that purchase, because I installed it, switched to it,
> and with in 5 minutes switched back. It sounds too muffled,
> and funnily enough, I then as now found espeak easier to
> understand. So, I guess the ban on the elloquence has the
> added binnifit of hopefully getting more people to try and
> eventrually switch to espeak. This itself has several
> advantages, 2 of which are, you can use it with pretty much
> anything with out violating the license, and the developer is
> far more responsive than Elloquence people. If a word caused
> Espeak to crash I would be willing to bet a decent sum of
> money that the bug would be fixed in a week's time after the
> developer found out about it. I have know of words that crash
> elloquence for years now, and more are discovered everyday. In
> fact, someone told me there is actually an elloquence crash
> word generator. You know, I wonder if that crash sequence
> could somehow be exploited to run malicious code? It is, of
> course, something to worry about. Well, this post is getting
> rather long, so I guess I'll end here.
> Thanks
> Storm
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> On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 08:18 -0400, Ken Perry wrote:
>
> > I would suppose the problem is Freedom has paid the licenses to use
> > eloquence and if you change the way they install eloquence by
> changing
> > registries you are breaking the license. Thus while technically
> its illegal
> > I doubt anyone is going to come in in a black trench coat and take
> your
> > computer. I would however point out that you can now buy a copy of
> nvda for
> > like 10 bucks and get a much better experience with what used to be
> ibm via
> > voice.
> >
> > ken
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal
> Mazrui
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:37 AM
> > To: programmingblind
> > Subject: NVDA and Eloquence
> >
> > I am trying to understand the legal issues around use of NVDA with
> the
> > Eloquence speech installed with JAWS. I have heard that it is
> > technically easy to make this work, thereby substantially improving
> the
> > NVDA experience. On the blind-mozilla list, however, it was stated
> that
> > this is absolutely illegal to do, and even discussion of the topic
> was
> > prohibited on the list. I did not realize this was such a
> controversial
> > topic, but trust that we can at least discuss it here, being
> careful as
> > appropriate not to encourage particular actions.
> >
> > As I think we know, just because a company says that some activity
> is an
> > impermissible use of software does not make it so. For example, I
> have
> > heard of the "Jailbreak" issue with the iPhone, and that this has
> been
> > deemed legal by an authoritative body, despite initial protests by
> a
> > company. Am I understanding that right?
> >
> > So, I am interested in any official statement that asserts the
> > illegality of using Eloquence with NVDA. Can someone point me to a
> web
> > page?
> >
> > Please understand that I am not encouraging such activity,
> especially
> > since my knowledge of the topic is limited at present. I do think,
> > however, that if people are being told that something is absolutely
> > illegal that they deserve some kind of authoritative reference for
> that
> > assertion, given the corresponding implication that one would be a
> > criminal to do so.
> >
> > Jamal
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