RE: FruitBasket-MFC
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:50:31 -0800
I already have one almost written the trouble only is in the linking stage
it refuses to link because it can't find main. Well there isn't a main.
The main is actually called WinMainCRTStartup and its in an MFC dll some
where. If someone like Jafar knows what switch I have to put on the command
line I can have a single file FruitBasket rather quick.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jaffar
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:43 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: FruitBasket-MFC
Hi Jamal. Very true. I'll see if i can write out one over this week end.
Anyway, I find MFC less cumbersome than actually writing for windows using
native c++. Cheers!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: FruitBasket-MFC
> Hi Jaffar,
> That's good to know that hand coding, without wizards and code
> generators, is also possible with MFC and VS. If you get a chance, I
> would be keenly interested in examining a single file, minimalist
> fruit basket program compiled with VC++. Personally, I find that
> multiple source, header, and resource files tmake the code difficult to
comprehend.
>
> Jamal
> On Tue,
> 20 Nov 2007, jaffar wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:12:54 +0800
>> From: jaffar <jaffar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: FruitBasket-MFC
>>
>> Hi Jamal. As far as I understand it, MFC itself is a microsoft
>> created library-cum-wrapper for Win32 programming. As far As I am
>> Concerned, I just create MFC applications without the use of the
>> readily available App Wizards with Visual Studio. I just start from
>> scratch from and empty project and hand code the app myself which i
>> find to be more productive. Cheers!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:45 PM
>> Subject: RE: FruitBasket-MFC
>>
>>
>> > I'm looking forward to studying your code, Ken. I have no
>> > experience with the dialog editor myself, and wonder whether it
>> > would be possible to develop with MFC without it, by using a
>> > version of CreateDialogIndirect (or equivalent for regular
>> > application windows), whereby control attributes are specified via
>> > memory structures at runtime. Are there wrappers to help develop
>> > in this way?
>> >
>> > Jamal
>> > On Sun, 18 Nov 2007, Ken Perry wrote:
>> >
>> >> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:36:42 -0800
>> >> From: Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject: RE: FruitBasket-MFC
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Oh yeah same for Jaws and I am betting most screen readers. Like
>> >> I said I was able to drop the controls but I had to go in and edit
>> >> their locations because the dialog can not be tabbed through like
>> >> the Form editor with Jaws.
>> >> I mean when you read tutorials on MFC they say just select the
>> >> button and hit enter and it will give you a list of properties or
>> >> stuff like that.
>> >> Well In my case the add button and delete button and edit box were
>> >> all visible but the list box was not on the screen. I maximized
>> >> the dialog with Alt-space but that didn't seem to help. I finally
>> >> just went to the resource file and edited it with the source code
>> >> editor which means you have to sit down and figure out where each
>> >> control should go. I am not complaining because you can do it and
>> >> it gives you full control over the dialog .
>> >> It
>> >> could be worse as we all know because visual c++ 6 and jaws you
>> >> couldn't even select the controls and drop them on the dialog. At
>> >> least now you can drop them and arrange them later.
>> >>
>> >> Ken
>> >>
>> >> _____
>> >>
>> >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jaffar
>> >> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:30 PM
>> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject: Re: FruitBasket-MFC
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Ken. Would agree with you there. The resource editor is not
>> >> really accessible, although with window eyes, one could use the
>> >> num pad to read some info on the screen. I wish it were more
>> >> accessible though.
>> >> Cheers!
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: Ken <mailto:whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Perry
>> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:09 PM
>> >> Subject: FruitBasket-MFC
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You ask for it you got it. Here it is the one the only
>> >> FruitBasket in MFC.
>> >> The hardest part of writing this was using the resource editor.
>> >> It was like being back in Visual studio 6. Why they didn't just
>> >> make the current dialog editor work for the old resources I don't
>> >> know. I doubt they will fix this in 2008 but we can all pray.
>> >> Jamal have you tried the MFC resource editor and do you think it
>> >> could be made to be accessible like the forms editor?
>> >>
>> >> Anyway even with the problems I was able to make the FruitBasket
>> >> program in little to no time so here it is. Note most of the guts
>> >> of the program is in FruitBasketDlg.cpp and FruitBasketDlg.h I am
>> >> going to try to make a minimalist version of this but the trouble
>> >> I had with a single source version of this was the command line
>> >> options. Microsoft has not made it easy to just compile an MFC
>> >> application. Further more a single cpp file would need all the
>> >> controls done dynamically rather than in a resource file.
>> >> While that would get around the problems I had with the resource
>> >> editor, I find fighting with the resource files easier than
>> >> writing all the code to create the controls dynamically. This
>> >> doesn't mean I won't make a minimalist version of the MFC
>> >> FruitBasket it just means it is not done yet.
>> >> I will most likely make it when I re make the win32 version I lost.
>> >>
>> >> OK here is the link to the two archives of the MFC version. I
>> >> made two because some people on this list like .rar and some like
>> >> .zip.
>> >> Inthane
>> >> use
>> >> which ever you want to on the page it is the same file. The
>> >> executable is under the release directory.
>> >>
>> >> .rar:
>> >> <http://www.blinksoft.com/~whistler/FruitBasket-MFC.rar>
>> >> http://www.blinksoft.com/~whistler/FruitBasket-MFC.rar
>> >> .zip
>> >> <http://www.blinksoft.com/~whistler/FruitBasket-MFC.zip>
>> >> http://www.blinksoft.com/~whistler/FruitBasket-MFC.zip
>> >>
>> >> Ken
>> >>
>> >>
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