Ken, just as an FYI, you can find the DOM option in VO prefs. It's not perfect but it sure should improve your exp.
Have a terrific day!… Smiles, Cara :) On Mar 6, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
Yes I am using the latest leopard but I had no idea there was a dom mode Iwill check it out. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:26 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and development.Ken, just out of curiosity, are you running Leopard (10.5.2) with DOM navigation set to on? In this mode, you can use VO as you'd use JFW, movingfrom heading to heading, field to field, and link to link. etc.In my exp, along with setting Safari to use the tab key to cycle through links, and option tab to move between form fields, I've had an easy time filling out complicated forms / checking / responding to time- sensitivematerial (email and such) on the web. Have a wonderful day and thanks so much for the update!… Smiles, Cara :) On Mar 6, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Ken Perry wrote:I am ready to answer this question. I tried out Voice over withwww.airset.com which is an ajax Calendar sharing program we use in theoffice. I also tried it out with Telis shared hosting which is the web email that I have to use for my office mail. It doesn't speak as the page is updated that is just not how Voice over works. It does let you access everything on the page though and I was able to add appointments and meetings easier with Voice over than Jaws because Voice over forces you to see everything on the web page object at a time. Jaws misses some things and you have to use the mouse to actually access items. Also some times you have to update the screen with jaws because of the buffered review mode. With voice over this is not a problem because the screen is automatically updated but you have no idea this is going on because there is no indication. You either get used to less announcement of changes or you will quit using Voice over fast. Reading my web mail was much harder than in jaws but that is only because you are forced to go object by object to get to each field.It is what I would call 100% accessible and only about 40% usable. So while Voice over allows you to do everything you want to on the web itdoesn't make it easy. You don't have all the nice short cuts that jaws, Window-eyes, and System Access has but you do have a consistent interface that while difficult never changes no matter if your web browsing or copyingfiles. I am not sure I like it though in fact I find my self going tomy XP box across the room to check mail rather than check it at the Mac while I am goofing off. I think there are a few years of updates that still need to be made to Voice over to be something a first time user could sit down at and actually like. Sure a geek can sit down and use it but it doesn't mean its enjoyable. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marlon Brandão de Sousa Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:07 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and development. Ok ... but is it fully accessible in the web, like would it be possible to access gmail or more hard web apps with it or it is still in the developement process like nvda is still? Marlon 2008/3/1, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:Yes I tried Safari but I do not like how it works. It works like the rest of the interface for the Mac so its not awful and you can get used to it but I would much rather be in NVDA, System Access and or any of the pay screen readers.-- When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows," people just stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, for free." Linus Torvalds __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind--- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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