RE: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and development.

  • From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 14:27:02 -0800


Yes I tried Safari but I do not like how it works.  It works like the rest
of the interface for the Mac so its not awful and you can get used to it but
I would much rather be in NVDA, System Access and or any of the pay screen
readers.

Ken 

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marlon Brandão
de Sousa
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:03 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and
development.

And about internet Ken? Did you try it and how it works?
Marlon

2008/2/29, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> Which Mac did you try 10.4 or 10.5  and when was it because there has 
> even been improvements to 10.5
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> jyotsnakaki@xxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:24 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and 
> development.
>
> I have been using a screen reader on Windows for 3+ years now and I 
> tried switching over to a MAC and found it to be very hard to use. I 
> had to give up because I could not get anything done. I personally hated
the experience.
>
>
> On 2/29/08, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Let me point out it took a lot of work to find your reply to this.
> > You really should put your reply above all the last post.  If that 
> > is true maybe I will just purchase IWork and their numbers program 
> > its only $82 anyway.  I think its stupid to put Microsoft office on 
> > a Mac anyway if your really a Mac nut you should use Mac stuff.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> > lras@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:59 AM
> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and 
> > development.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Sent: Feb 29, 2008 12:40 PM
> > >To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: RE: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and
> > development.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I just installed a Mac at work with a  20 inch screen with no 
> > >vision at
> > all.
> > >It not only has a talking install but it also gave me a tutorial on 
> > >Voice over when it started up.  I am not a Mac nut and do not like 
> > >the interface but as for accessibility and doing everything you 
> > >just mentioned it is fully accessible and all you asked about is
possible.
> > >Something you will find coming from a window environment though is 
> > >it is very different and will be tough to switch to.  After the 
> > >switch though it works well.  I will say though that I have now 
> > >installed Ubuntu, Vista, and Mac and Mac was the easiest install.  
> > >The voice is very good and very responsive.  I have not used 
> > >Microsoft Office on it yet or Iwork yet because we have not 
> > >purchased a copy of it for the Mac yet.  That will happen in the 
> > >next couple weeks though and then I will be able to comment more 
> > >from a Mac beginners stand point on how easy it is
> > to use.
> > >
> > >I would suggest if you have a friend that loves his mac so much 
> > >then do some web browsing there is a Mac blind users group and 
> > >there are documents on all the key presses you need to know.  Just 
> > >go over to your friends house and press the Apple key-F5 and your 
> > >off and running with a talking Mac.  That way you would have him 
> > >there to tell you when you are messing things up.  I do find one 
> > >thing really annoying if your not careful on your Desktop and 
> > >application list you can rename everything
> > just by pressing enter on it.
> > >That's right you don't press enter to open an application you Press 
> > >Apple - O which is probably one of the hardest things to stop your 
> > >finger from doing.  If you take your enter key off your Windows box 
> > >a month before you start using the Mac you might do ok.
> > >
> > >Ken
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> > >Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:20 AM
> > >To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; 
> > >program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: Accessibility of the Mac Minnie for office, web and
development.
> > >
> > >Hi All.
> > >
> > >I'm sure this has been spoken about so many times but I've not been 
> > >interested before.
> > >
> > >One of the guys at work has been talking about his mac and I'm 
> > >pretty impressed.
> > >
> > >I'm thinking about one for home and I'm wondering about accessibility.
> > >I know there's Voice Over which is the built in screen reader. How 
> > >good is this, how does it compare to the plethora of windows screen
> readers.
> > >
> > >Mostly I'd want to do email, office type applications, read books 
> > >which are plain text or html, brows the web, maybe a bit of IM.
> > >
> > >I'd also want to develop PHP on it and some C++. what are the 
> > >development environments like, how accessible are they?
> > >
> > >Any information gratefully received.
> > >Cheers.
> > >Nick.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Nick Adamson
> > >Software Engineer
> > >General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited
> > >
> > >Email: nick.adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Tel: 01495 236467
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